How much sin?

[Godzchild]

Just want to know, from all those folk who believe that committing sin can make you lose your salvation, exactly how much sin does one need to commit to be able to undo the work of God?

Is there an amount?

 

[Jimmy West]

Just want to know, from all those folk who believe that committing sin can make you lose your salvation, exactly how much sin does one need to commit to be able to undo the work of God?

Is there an amount?

It takes a sinful lifestyle to loose your salvation. In other words, you can murder someone and not loose your salvation. But if you are a serial killer, you will loose your salvation. A person can have a homosexual encounter and not loose his salvation. But if he lives as a homosexual, a homosexual lifestyle, he will loose his salvation.

 

[Godzchild]

Scripture please!

 

[Jimmy West]

Scripture please!

You asked the question, I gave you the answer. Don't like the answer, don't accept it.

 

[Godzchild]

Also I'm wondering how powerful a homosexual has to be to be able to undo God's work. Wow!

 

[Godzchild]

I want a scriptural answer please Jimmy! I want you to show me, from the bible, how much sin one must commit to undo the work of God. Can you do it?

 

[paraducks]

Just want to know, from all those folk who believe that committing sin can make you lose your salvation, exactly how much sin does one need to commit to be able to undo the work of God?

Is there an amount?

I don't personally believe it is possible, but from the previous post I'd deduce that we are all allowed one murder, so chose wisely.

Let's see, wife or mother-in-law? Wife or mother-in-law?

 

[Godzchild]

I just want to know how much and which sin? It seems we must be mighty powerful human beings to be able to undo the works of God.

 

[paraducks]

I just want to know how much and which sin? It seems we must be mighty powerful human beings to be able to undo the works of God.

Sorry. It was just a joke.

 

[Godzchild]

Yeh I know

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I have decided to put my oar in here. For a start, there is quite a process to go through to obtain salvation and get the assurance of it. Firstly, you have to see that you are a sinner, a complete sinner, a wretched sinner worthy only of condemnation; and rightly so. Before we can get past first base, we have to have a very clear appreciation of the fact that we are sinners who justly deserve eternal hell. Too many people walk up an accept Christ without going through that process, and it is no surprise that they last only a short while before they either fall back into their sinful life or continue a false Christian life full of pride and self righteousness.

The Gospel only becomes good news to those who are fully convinced of their wretched sinful state and also convinced that in no way will they ever be able to live a sinless live, acceptable to God.

Then, the next step is to stand before the cross of Christ and fully appreciate what He did for us there. He died to make us fully justified and acceptable to God. We need to accept Jesus into our lives on that basis.

Then we need to seek the Lord for the assurance that we are fully saved, and that our step of faith in believing that Jesus died for us on the cross, and our acceptance of Him into our lives has justified us before God. We need the Holy Spirit to put that witness into our hearts. It might not come automatically. According to many examples of godly men and women through the ages, it seems that it has to be sought for over a length of time and with all your heart.

It took John Bunyan eight years of struggling before he got that assurance from the Holy Spirit. That is a big difference between the easy believerism where someone can waltz up to the altar and mumble some prayer of committment and then believe that they are truly saved.

The trouble with many of today's Christians is that they have done just that. Gone up to the altar, probably under pressure from a group of enthusiastic people who want God to work more quickly in the person than might be appropriate, and then come away not knowing exactly what he did, other than 'getting religion' and then spending the rest of his or her life struggling along trying to be 'holy', and probably ending up in bondage to self righteousness and filthy, stinking pride, and then falling down into Hell when he or she dies - merely because they did not make sure that their salvation was sure.

The world is full of backslidden 'Christians' who have gone this way. They never waited for God to work in them to give them the assurance of their salvation, so they fell away after a time of trying because they knew that did not have what it took to live the Christian life.

It is significant that those who seek long and hard with God for the assurance of salvation, and then get it through blood, sweat and tears before God, do not usually fall away from Him afterwards, but go on a live very strong Christian lives.

So, how much sin does it take to lose your salvation. Well, if you never had salvation or the assurance of it in the first place, then it just takes the effort to walk out of the church and not go back.

But for those who have done the hard yards with God and received the assurance of salvation from the Holy Spirit, no amount of sin will cause them to lose their salvation, because they will love God so much that they will not leave any sin unconfessed and unforgiven.

 

[Andrew]

Just want to know, from all those folk who believe that committing sin can make you lose your salvation, exactly how much sin does one need to commit to be able to undo the work of God?

Is there an amount?

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Or exactly how much good works must one do to undo the work of Adam?

 

[inrsoul]

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Or exactly how much good works must one do to undo the work of Adam?

One good work.

The one good work.

 

[RequiemForADisplacedLife]

One good work.

The one good work.

Helping an old lady cross the street?

 

[Joy]

I have decided to put my oar in here. For a start, there is quite a process to go through to obtain salvation and get the assurance of it. Firstly, you have to see that you are a sinner, a complete sinner, a wretched sinner worthy only of condemnation; and rightly so. Before we can get past first base, we have to have a very clear appreciation of the fact that we are sinners who justly deserve eternal hell. Too many people walk up an accept Christ without going through that process, and it is no surprise that they last only a short while before they either fall back into their sinful life or continue a false Christian life full of pride and self righteousness.

The Gospel only becomes good news to those who are fully convinced of their wretched sinful state and also convinced that in no way will they ever be able to live a sinless live, acceptable to God.

Then, the next step is to stand before the cross of Christ and fully appreciate what He did for us there. He died to make us fully justified and acceptable to God. We need to accept Jesus into our lives on that basis.

Then we need to seek the Lord for the assurance that we are fully saved, and that our step of faith in believing that Jesus died for us on the cross, and our acceptance of Him into our lives has justified us before God. We need the Holy Spirit to put that witness into our hearts. It might not come automatically. According to many examples of godly men and women through the ages, it seems that it has to be sought for over a length of time and with all your heart.

It took John Bunyan eight years of struggling before he got that assurance from the Holy Spirit. That is a big difference between the easy believerism where someone can waltz up to the altar and mumble some prayer of committment and then believe that they are truly saved.

The trouble with many of today's Christians is that they have done just that. Gone up to the altar, probably under pressure from a group of enthusiastic people who want God to work more quickly in the person than might be appropriate, and then come away not knowing exactly what he did, other than 'getting religion' and then spending the rest of his or her life struggling along trying to be 'holy', and probably ending up in bondage to self righteousness and filthy, stinking pride, and then falling down into Hell when he or she dies - merely because they did not make sure that their salvation was sure.

The world is full of backslidden 'Christians' who have gone this way. They never waited for God to work in them to give them the assurance of their salvation, so they fell away after a time of trying because they knew that did not have what it took to live the Christian life.

It is significant that those who seek long and hard with God for the assurance of salvation, and then get it through blood, sweat and tears before God, do not usually fall away from Him afterwards, but go on a live very strong Christian lives.

So, how much sin does it take to lose your salvation. Well, if you never had salvation or the assurance of it in the first place, then it just takes the effort to walk out of the church and not go back.

But for those who have done the hard yards with God and received the assurance of salvation from the Holy Spirit, no amount of sin will cause them to lose their salvation, because they will love God so much that they will not leave any sin unconfessed and unforgiven.

This is such a wise answer. i can not express what I mean but this really clarified my thinking. God bless you dear brother

karen

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

There are plenty of rebellious sinners who help old ladies across the street and they will still go to hell.

 

[inrsoul]

Helping an old lady cross the street?

No.

THE one and only.

 

[RequiemForADisplacedLife]

No.

THE one and only.

Yes, yes, I know. It was just my idea of a joke. A bad one,albeit.

 

[lismore]

Just want to know, from all those folk who believe that committing sin can make you lose your salvation, exactly how much sin does one need to commit to be able to undo the work of God?

Is there an amount?

If there are a certain amount of sins can make someone loose salvation, then there must be a certain amount of good deeds that can make someone gain salvation.

BUT

Ephesians 2:8 NIV
9For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

This explains nicely the relationship between salvation and works. Works are an automatic thing done after someone is saved.

People who see other believers acting in a way that the pharisee in them doesnt like have invented this damned Christian idea, but we are warned:

Galatians 6:

1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own
load.

Everyone should keep their hooter out of another believers sins unless asked. We all have enough problems with our own sins.

 

[chilifrankplate]

lismore, you beat me to it. excellent post!!
also, romans is an awesome book to do a study of if you want a clearer picture of your salvation!