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Ohioprof

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to be cured of homosexuality?

I prayed for 20 years. I know that God does miracles. I've seen them. Should I have prayed for 21 years or was my faith not strong enough?
I'm sorry you felt the need to pray to be other than how God made you. You are a wonderful, loving person and a Christian just as you are.

No amount of prayer will turn a gay or bisexual person into a heterosexual. If God had intended us to be heterosexual, he would have made us heterosexual. I think we should pray that all Christians come, in their own time and their own way, to accept gay and bisexual people as we are and to celebrate the diversity of God's creation. That wonderful diversity includes gay and bisexual people.
 
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There is nothing wrong with diversity but there is a lot wrong with accepting practicing homosexuals as they are. Practicing homosexuals cannot be Christians in good standing. Only celibate homosexuals can be Christians in good standing.
 
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There is nothing wrong with diversity but there is a lot wrong with accepting practicing homosexuals as they are. Practicing homosexuals cannot be Christians in good standing. Only celibate homosexuals can be Christians in good standing.
So says Paladingirl, who is in charge of the list of "good standing!"

I'm sorry, but many Christians do not agree with you about this.
 
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I think that the key is to place our relationship with God as of much greater importance than anything else, including what we define ourselves sexually as.

p.s. I've been praying for a jackpot on the lotto for years now, hasn't happened yet. Guess it makes things a bit more difficult since I don't even attempt to play
 
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we either are Christian "followers of Christ" or not, and we either believe all that the Bible tells us or not. we cannot take only part of what Jesus Christ says and then ignore the rest, otherwise the Bible means nothing. it matters not what anyone else around us thinks or believes, we are clearly told that each of us will be called to give an account of our own lives to Jesus on Judgement Day. Jesus loved everyone in the Bible, murderers, thieves, prostitutes and even the homosexuals too im sure, but the Bible is very clear that anyone who is practicing sin will not beable to enter into the Kingdom of God, it then seems up to us whether or not we are going to continue to sin, not knowing when our time here on earth will be up. worth the risk?

And before im judged for being harsh - no, im not just spouting this, i was a lesbian and Jesus changed me, now im married and so happy. Jesus is the only one with the power to change us, and He can only do this if we let Him. If we hold onto anything we were, we miss out on what we could be. Jesus loves you anyway and so we all should, but whether or not you will spend eternity with Him is up to how you act. The sin is in the act, and we all have the choice to act on whether we do or dont do something, some people are violent but never murder, others sexual predators who never rape, its only Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit in us who keeps us from sin.
 
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LOL!

And God said, "Buy a ticket!"
 
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Hey, there is a thread in which someone asked for testimony from people who regard themselves as "ex-gay." You might consider posting there. The thread is called "fundamental challenge," I think.

I don't agree with you about same-sex relationships being a sin, but I think people should do what makes them happy. And if you are happily married to a man, all the best to you.

I believe in affirming how God made us. God made me gay, and I am happy with that. If God made you bisexual and gave you attractions to people of either sex, that's wonderful. If you were somehow able to change your sexual orientation, that's wonderful too, so long as you are happy. I have no intention of trying to change my sexual orientation. I celebrate being a lesbian, and I thank God for that.
 
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You are all welcome to believe what you want, I believe only what
the Holy Bible says, and it says God made us all in His own image, and He made us to be in male/female relationships. It also says that homosexuality is a sin. If I don't believe that, I also should not even believe that God exists, or that I'm saved, as if one thing in the Bible is not true, such as homosexuality is a sin, then the point about us being saved by Jesus could be just as untrue, just like God being our creator. We therefore cannot pick and choose whats true or not.

I am whole heartedly prepared to accept the Word of God as all true, whether or not I want to follow it or not - that is my own personal choice and my salvation is dependant on whether or not I do so. I pray that those here will also believe all the Words of God in the Bible are true, and be saved from sin, because satan is the great deceiver and liar, who will convince you that sin is not sin, and give you every excuse to not believe all Jesus's words about this matter.

I would personally be very careful about giving others advice about not following the Bible and doing what Jesus says though, as that is leading someone into sin and eternal damnation and is taken very seriously. That is why I only go on what the Bible says, and make no interpretation of anything other than what is in it, as I do not wish to be judged by Jesus for turning anyone away from the truth, even if it is hard to accept by those who are still sinning in this way.

I could never be happy unless I knew that Jesus had saved me and I can't know this unless I know that everything He says is true, and that includes everything in the Bible. God says He is capable of all things, so if we exclude Him from changing us from a sinful state to one that He requires of us, we are limiting what God can do and that to me is offensive. so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

I note that we all seem so happy to accept Saul was changed from being a murderer to being Paul the apostle, but yet we seem to be unwilling to accept that we could and should be changed from being homosexual. This to me seems hypocritical, and I start to wonder if any of the Bible is worth following, if the basic truths of our conduct are so easily thrown away as they simply don't suit our way of life!! How much more difficult is it to stop killing people than having sex?
 
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Well, I don't believe the Bible is the word of God, and I'm certainly going to be honest about what I believe. I also don't believe that being gay is a sin or that same-sex relationships are a sin. I don't believe that my views lead people into sin; I think they challenge people to think about what they believe. I do not claim to know the "truth," only to speak what I believe and what is true for me. I think we each have our own perspectives on truth, our own conceptions of truth. No one has the whole of truth; our knowledge is always partial.

I do not believe that Jesus brings salvation. I believe all are saved. I am Christian because I follow the teachings of Jesus, or I try to, and not because I believe Jesus saves people.

Obviously you and I have different experiences and world views, and I think that's great. Again, I encourage you, if you wish to, to post in the forum called "fundamental challenge," where the OP asks for people who believe that they are "ex-gays" to testify about that. So far no one has done so, and you seem like someone who could.
 
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to be cured of homosexuality?

I prayed for 20 years. I know that God does miracles. I've seen them. Should I have prayed for 21 years or was my faith not strong enough?

And the flipside of that question, to anyone who's heterosexual - how much prayer and healing and counselling and therapy - or just plain effort of will - would it take to make one homosexual? Is it even achievable?

And if heterosexual -> homosexual isn't achievable, then why do people assume that homosexual -> heterosexual is?

David.
 
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Here's where prayer is really required. A dear friend of mine has just come from the hospital for hospice care. She has an inoperable brain tumor.

Nasty. I sympathise - my fiancée recently lost her dad to cancer. Praying for your friend and all who know her.

David.
 
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I have known many women who have started out in a marriage to a man and who then have left the marriage and have entered a marriage with a woman. Some of them identify as lesbians and say they married a man to try to avoid being who they knew inside that they were, and to do what their parents expected of them. Later they realized that this was a mistake. Some of these women identify as bisexual and say they fell in love with a man, and then the marriage did not work out, and they fell in love with a woman. I have never known anyone who has tried to become gay through therapy or a ministry.

I have also known many women who started out in a marriage to a woman and then left the marriage and have entered a marriage with a man. None of these women said they are "ex-gay." None of these women say that they entered a marriage with a woman to please their parents or because they were trying to avoid being heterosexual. All of these women that I know identify as bisexual. There surely are women who identify as "ex-gay," but I do not know any of them personally. I know many gay people.

I suspect there are many more bisexuals in the world than we are aware of. Relatively few people identify openly as bisexual because of the terrible negative stereotypes that get dumped on bisexuals, often worse than the stereotypes that get dumped on gay people. People assume that bisexuals are promiscuous, that bisexuals are all swingers who have multiple partners all the time, that bisexuals cannot make up their minds, that bisexuals are "fence-sitters." None of this is true. All being a bisexual means is that a person is attracted to people of either sex.

I really don't care if some people go from being in a relationship with a man to being in a relationship with a woman, or from being in a relationship with a woman to being in a relationship with a man. That's their business, and people need to follow their inner calling and do what makes them happy. If someone wants to "renounce" being gay and try to live in a heterosexual marriage, that is up to them, and it's not my business to denounce them for that or to render judgment of that decision. I would caution them, however, about jumping into a heterosexual marriage just to try to become heterosexual, as this can lead to great heartache for the person's spouse if and when the gay spouse realizes that he or she really is gay and has always been gay. This has happened many times, and there are support groups for heterosexual spouses of people who have come out as gay. Reverend Mel White tells a fascinating story of his own coming out as a gay man at a time when he was married to a woman. His book is entitled Stranger at the Gate.

From what I can see, there are a lot more stories of people who tried to be heterosexual who later came out as gay than there are of people who started out gay and then became heterosexual through therapy or through some kind of "ex-gay ministry."
 
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Then how do you account for people who were once gay but aren't anymore because they came to Christ, got saved and minister against homsexuality??

Are you going to tell me they're somehow wrong or confused? That they should have been proud of who they were beforehand simply because God is love and that they are His creations??
 
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to be cured of homosexuality?

I prayed for 20 years. I know that God does miracles. I've seen them. Should I have prayed for 21 years or was my faith not strong enough?
Better to ask to be healed but to also pray to accept the things thay you cannot change and for God's will. Remember that just because you have a homosexual orientation- that does not mean that you must lead a sinful lifestyle. There is more to being a human than just an orientation.
 
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