How much longer?

DerelictJunction · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
Could you please point to one insult I have hurled at the religious members?

If you are a Consol sock puppet, my contention is justified, as most members are familiar with your antics and can support my statement.

If not, then your statements, recommending the government restrict or remove religious teaching and the religious persons' failure to use reasoning faculties along with having a penchant to brainwash their children, deserve the labels of stupid and incendiary. However, the comments on your medication can be disregarded in that case.

Loudmouth · Sep 29, 2015

crjmurray said:
You've been found out fell beast! We have named you! Begone! Begone back to your realm!

If we repeat his name three times does that make him appear or disappear? I can't remember the rules.

DDan · Sep 29, 2015

DerelictJunction said:
If you are a Consol sock puppet, my contention is justified, as most members are familiar with your antics and can support my statement.

I chose to ignore this part because whatever answer I give I will be damned.

If not, then your statements, recommending the government restrict or remove religious teaching and the religious persons' failure to use reasoning faculties along with having a penchant to brainwash their children, deserve the labels of stupid and incendiary. However, the comments on your medication can be disregarded in that case.

I asked if people defending free speech extended to Nazism, if something is damaging to the society because of 'free speech' is it regarded as a good thing or a bad thing and what would be done if it was a bad thing, is it the price you pay to have 'free speech'?

Religion in my opinion damages all societies where they thrive, you only need to look around the world to see this for yourself.
All religion are bad, am I allowed to hold that opinion?

I believe people should be free to say what they like but as soon as people start acting on what people say a line must be drawn, the US is known for it's lynch mobs, would Americans like to see those days come back?

justlookinla · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
Had you arrived at your belief through reason then reason might perhaps change your mind but as you and I both know there was no reason involved was there?
You seem to have the ability to talk yourself into believing anything, unfortunately I don't have that same ability.

Where do your beliefs come from though? If we are to believe certain views of evolution, we are no more than random life forms, bags of chemicals, produced by a supposed mechanism and have no inherent value. Our existence is no more than an illusion created by the firing of synapses in our randomly evolved, incomprehensibly complex, brain....if we are to believe the worldview preached by certain views of evolution.

Have you talked yourself into believing you're more than that? If so, what factors determined this belief?

DerelictJunction · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
I chose to ignore this part because whatever answer I give I will be damned.

Indeed. Perhaps a less strident objection to religion in your next OP would distance you effectively from that infamous poster.

I asked if people defending free speech extended to Nazism, if something is damaging to the society because of 'free speech' is it regarded as a good thing or a bad thing and what would be done if it was a bad thing, is it the price you pay to have 'free speech'?

Why would you think that speeches and writings supporting Nazism are damaging to society?

Religion in my opinion damages all societies where they thrive, you only need to look around the world to see this for yourself.

This is demonstrably false. A quick look at history shows the stabilizing influence of religion.

All religion are bad, am I allowed to hold that opinion?

Yes. However, you don't have to insult people on a forum in order to demonstrate how much you hate religion. They just wind up focusing on the insult and stop listening to your argument.

I believe people should be free to say what they like but as soon as people start acting on what people say a line must be drawn, the US is known for it's lynch mobs, would Americans like to see those days come back?

This statement is unclear. You seem to be saying that if a person makes a statement which is acted upon and that action results in something "bad", then the statement should be outlawed. Seems a bit restrictive and would eventually result in an extremely narrow range of ideas that can be expressed in the public forum.
I believe the justice system should punish actions, not ideas.

So, in response to your OP, while I consider creationism to be worthy of harsh ridicule, it should be tolerated as free speech. It should not be part of science.

DDan · Sep 29, 2015

DerelictJunction said:
So, in response to your OP, while I consider creationism to be worthy of harsh ridicule, it should be tolerated as free speech. It should not be part of science.

The teaching of creationism has been banned in the UK and rightly so in my opinion.

How can believing a lie be beneficial to anyone? something not backed by evidence should be dismissed.
Absolutely nothing other than religion is taken on faith, nothing, everything else we believe is evidence based.

willubraptured2 · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
How much longer do you think creationism will be tolerated in the US?

I think a more appropriate and timely question is how much longer evolution will be tolerated as real science.

Loudmouth · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
The teaching of creationism has been banned in the UK and rightly so in my opinion.

Do they shut down churches that teach creationism?

Loudmouth · Sep 29, 2015

willubraptured2 said:
I think a more appropriate and timely question is how much longer evolution will be tolerated as real science.

As long as it takes for creationists to present evidence that it isn't real science.

willubraptured2 · Sep 29, 2015

Loudmouth said:
As long as it takes for creationists to present evidence that it isn't real science.

Where is the fossil record that proves evolution as fact?

Loudmouth · Sep 29, 2015

willubraptured2 said:
Where is the fossil record that proves evolution as fact?

That would be all of the fossils we have. All of the fossils fall into the predicted nested hierarchy. All of the fossils are evidence in support of evolution.

willubraptured2 · Sep 29, 2015

Loudmouth said:
That would be all of the fossils we have. All of the fossils fall into the predicted nested hierarchy. All of the fossils are evidence in support of evolution.

It is my understanding that there are many (secular) scientists that would disagree with you and would literally laugh that evolution is well founded. I don't have the time or inclination to develop this further. I wish you well.

Loudmouth · Sep 29, 2015

willubraptured2 said:
It is my understanding that there are many (secular) scientists that would disagree with you and would literally laugh that evolution is well founded. I don't have the time or inclination to develop this further. I wish you well.

Many?

"Of the scientists and engineers in the United States, only about 5% are creationists, according to a 1991 Gallup poll (Robinson 1995, Witham 1997). However, this number includes those working in fields not related to life origins (such as computer scientists, mechanical engineers, etc.). Taking into account only those working in the relevant fields of earth and life sciences, there are about 480,000 scientists, but only about 700 believe in "creation-science" or consider it a valid theory (Robinson 1995). This means that less than 0.15 percent of relevant scientists believe in creationism. And that is just in the United States, which has more creationists than any other industrialized country. In other countries, the number of relevant scientists who accept creationism drops to less than one tenth of 1 percent. "
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA111.html

Also, you never addressed what I said. If scientists are saying that a fossil falsifies the theory of evolution, lets see that fossil. From what I have seen, all of the fossils fit the prediction of a nested hierarchy.

crjmurray · Sep 29, 2015

willubraptured2 said:
It is my understanding that there are many (secular) scientists that would disagree with you and would literally laugh that evolution is well founded. I don't have the time or inclination to develop this further. I wish you well.

Can you provide evidence as to why you have that understanding? Or are you blatantly saying that you have no intention to back up your statements?

DDan · Sep 29, 2015

Loudmouth said:
Do they shut down churches that teach creationism?

No unfortunately they don't, how many children will be paying the price of being raised by creationists?
They even have Muslim madrasas here, creationists can see the indoctrination and damage being done by Muslim madrasas but they can't see the indoctrination and damage being done by creationism, religions obviously make fools of everyone.

People should be arguing about reality not myths.

Loudmouth · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
No unfortunately they don't,

Then it appears the UK is the same as the US.

how many children will be paying the price of being raised by creationists?
They even have Muslim madrasas here, creationists can see the indoctrination and damage being done by Muslim madrasas but they can't see the indoctrination and damage being done by creationism, religions obviously make fools of everyone.

People should be arguing about reality not myths.

Reading threads written by consol is surely punishment enough?

DDan · Sep 29, 2015

willubraptured2 said:
I think a more appropriate and timely question is how much longer evolution will be tolerated as real science.

The more people who think like this the greater the damage being done to the US.

DDan · Sep 29, 2015

Loudmouth said:
Then it appears the UK is the same as the US.

Not in a million years thank god, the US is way out in left field with the Muslim countries.

Loudmouth · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
Not in a million years thank god, the US is way out in left field with the Muslim countries.

It has the same laws as the UK.

AV1611VET · Sep 29, 2015

DDan said:
The teaching of creationism has been banned in the UK and rightly so in my opinion.

Cramps their style, does it?

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