F.B.I. Plans to Lower Recruiting Standards

[ThatRobGuy]

Tunes haven’t changed. You read into those articles something that wasn’t there. Nobody in either one proposed dropping the education requirement. You put “relevant work experience” and “worth considering” in quotes when neither phrase exists in either piece. You fabricated them.

If you note what was mentioned in the WaPo piece:

“We recognize the challenges and the obstacles that law enforcement agencies face in trying to diversify,” said Malik Aziz, the national chairman of the National Black Police Association. “But the pool of qualified candidates of color is there.”

“The FBI tends to look more at candidates who are not coming from traditional law enforcement — when we have an estimated 110,000 black police officers in the country,” Aziz said. “Instead of focusing recruitment on individuals who have completed college and are looking for jobs in the FBI, the FBI should look at the many police departments who have shown a great commitment to law enforcement,” he said.


Given that the majority of local PD LEOs don't have 4-year degrees, how else would one interpret that other than "If the Bureau is looking to diversify a little more, they should be considering the many existing LEOs instead of College graduates"?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It weeds out the intellectually challenged. It ensures candidates have experienced a wider world and learnt how to think critically.

Otherwise you end up with backward thugs like the American police.

A) A 24 year old with a bachelors degree hasn't "experienced a wider world" -- especially not in today's environment, they've experienced high-school and then experienced 4 years of an ideologically contained bubble environment. The idea of college kids coming out of university systems being more "well-rounded" hasn't been a reality since the late 90's.

To use the inverse, it'd be like saying that someone is more well-rounded and has "experienced more of the world" because they went to 4 years of bible college after HS.

Does Higher Education Teach Students to Think Critically?

There is a discernible and growing gap between the qualifications that a university degree certifies and the actual generic, 21st-century skills with which students graduate from higher education. By generic skills, it is meant literacy and critical thinking skills encompassing problem solving...

www.oecd.org

Even more significant is the qualitative mismatch between the skills demand generated by the economic and social reality in labour markets and societies, and the supply of skills by higher education institutions. Employers and economic organisations express with increasingly louder voices that they are no longer confident that graduates have acquired the skills needed for the 21st-century workplace, in particular, generic skills such as problem solving, communication, creativity, and critical thinking.


As far as your part B)

Per Cato Institute’s National Police Misconduct Reporting Project (MPMRP), approximately 1% of all police officers engage in misconduct.

A 44-state study summarized by Everything Policy reveals that over a decade, about 20% of officers are accused of misconduct. Of these, only around 8% are found to have actually committed misconduct—meaning that roughly 1.6% of officers over that period face substantiated misconduct findings.

USA Today / Invisible Institute national reporting shows over the past decade, at least 85,000 U.S. officers were investigated or disciplined for alleged misconduct—across an estimated force of around 800,000 over 10 years, this averages to about 1% per year.


"American police are backwards thugs" seems like a bit if a broad brush given that only 1% would fit that description.

 

[ozso]

If you note what was mentioned in the WaPo piece:

“We recognize the challenges and the obstacles that law enforcement agencies face in trying to diversify,” said Malik Aziz, the national chairman of the National Black Police Association. “But the pool of qualified candidates of color is there.”

“The FBI tends to look more at candidates who are not coming from traditional law enforcement — when we have an estimated 110,000 black police officers in the country,” Aziz said. “Instead of focusing recruitment on individuals who have completed college and are looking for jobs in the FBI, the FBI should look at the many police departments who have shown a great commitment to law enforcement,” he said.


Given that the majority of local PD LEOs don't have 4-year degrees, how else would one interpret that other than "If the Bureau is looking to diversify a little more, they should be considering the many existing LEOs instead of College graduates"?

Seriously who's more qualified, an experienced police officer, or someone with a bachelor's in culinary arts?

 

[Larniavc]

A) A 24 year old with a bachelors degree hasn't "experienced a wider world" -- especially not in today's environment, they've experienced high-school and then experienced 4 years of an ideologically contained bubble environment. The idea of college kids coming out of university systems being more "well-rounded" hasn't been a reality since the late 90's.

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To use the inverse, it'd be like saying that someone is more well-rounded and has "experienced more of the world" because they went to 4 years of bible college after HS.

Does Higher Education Teach Students to Think Critically?

There is a discernible and growing gap between the qualifications that a university degree certifies and the actual generic, 21st-century skills with which students graduate from higher education. By generic skills, it is meant literacy and critical thinking skills encompassing problem solving...

www.oecd.org

Even more significant is the qualitative mismatch between the skills demand generated by the economic and social reality in labour markets and societies, and the supply of skills by higher education institutions. Employers and economic organisations express with increasingly louder voices that they are no longer confident that graduates have acquired the skills needed for the 21st-century workplace, in particular, generic skills such as problem solving, communication, creativity, and critical thinking.


As far as your part B)

Per Cato Institute’s National Police Misconduct Reporting Project (MPMRP), approximately 1% of all police officers engage in misconduct.

A 44-state study summarized by Everything Policy reveals that over a decade, about 20% of officers are accused of misconduct. Of these, only around 8% are found to have actually committed misconduct—meaning that roughly 1.6% of officers over that period face substantiated misconduct findings.

USA Today / Invisible Institute national reporting shows over the past decade, at least 85,000 U.S. officers were investigated or disciplined for alleged misconduct—across an estimated force of around 800,000 over 10 years, this averages to about 1% per year.


"American police are backwards thugs" seems like a bit if a broad brush given that only 1% would fit that description.

Yeah, disagree. Going to uni you meet so many people from different walks of life that you never would if you just went to high school and got a job in the town you grew up in.

Your horizons about the wider world are so much broader after meeting that many people from different cultures and backgrounds.

Go straight from school to a factory, retail or service industry does not broaden your horizons the way that a university education does.

 

[iluvatar5150]

If you note what was mentioned in the WaPo piece:

“We recognize the challenges and the obstacles that law enforcement agencies face in trying to diversify,” said Malik Aziz, the national chairman of the National Black Police Association. “But the pool of qualified candidates of color is there.”

“The FBI tends to look more at candidates who are not coming from traditional law enforcement — when we have an estimated 110,000 black police officers in the country,” Aziz said. “Instead of focusing recruitment on individuals who have completed college and are looking for jobs in the FBI, the FBI should look at the many police departments who have shown a great commitment to law enforcement,” he said.


Given that the majority of local PD LEOs don't have 4-year degrees, how else would one interpret that other than "If the Bureau is looking to diversify a little more, they should be considering the many existing LEOs instead of College graduates"?

You’re skipping over the condition “and are looking for jobs in the FBI.”

Local cops likely aren’t actively looking for jobs at the FBI. He’s not saying to drop the college requirement; he’s saying to go poach active cops who aren’t looking.

Elsewhere in that piece (I’m going from memory), Comey was quoted as saying that the practice of only hiring grads with work experience was hurting them because that work experience had given them a taste of private sector money that the feds couldn’t compete with. The implication there was not to drop the college requirement; it was to drop the experience requirement.

 

[DaisyDay]

America is becoming a Presidential Loyaltochracy.

Governmental overreach? I don't think that's the right term...

 

[DaisyDay]

If you note what was mentioned in the WaPo piece:

“We recognize the challenges and the obstacles that law enforcement agencies face in trying to diversify,” said Malik Aziz, the national chairman of the National Black Police Association. “But the pool of qualified candidates of color is there.”

“The FBI tends to look more at candidates who are not coming from traditional law enforcement — when we have an estimated 110,000 black police officers in the country,” Aziz said. “Instead of focusing recruitment on individuals who have completed college and are looking for jobs in the FBI, the FBI should look at the many police departments who have shown a great commitment to law enforcement,” he said.


Given that the majority of local PD LEOs don't have 4-year degrees, how else would one interpret that other than "If the Bureau is looking to diversify a little more, they should be considering the many existing LEOs instead of College graduates"?

I thought diversity was now anathema and grounds for dismissal in the current administration.