How many people would go for this if they could?

[dingdong]

For a small fee I will take all of your sins to Hell with me when I die, and I will even let you decide how much you pay me for each sin, what do you think? let me take the wrap, after all what have you got to lose?

 

[IceJad]

Good offer but no... my principle is face up even if it means eternal damnation. If I start paying people for every sin I committed I would never stop sinning. The plus side of your offer is I get to decide the amount which makes it even worst. Therefore I humbly pass your offer.

 

[sidhe]

The grand irony of you posting this offer in non-Christian religion is that "sin" is a pretty Abrahamic concept.

Thus, since I've no sins to account for by my reckoning, and I've walked through my religion's version of "Hell" already, I'll have to kindly decline your offer.

 

[dingdong]

What if I hired a hall and suggested it from the stage as if I was doing them a favour? do you think they would buy it?

 

[bling]

What if I hired a hall and suggested it from the stage as if I was doing them a favour? do you think they would buy it?

It would not work that way neither. You can try to make it the latest internet scam.

 

[durangodawood]

For a small fee I will take all of your sins to Hell with me when I die, and I will even let you decide how much you pay me for each sin, what do you think? let me take the wrap, after all what have you got to lose?

I dont understand. What do you mean you will "take" my sins with you?
.
Sins are acts or intentions, not things you can "take".
.

 

[xDenax]

Why do you insist upon stereotyping all religious people and then making comments based on your utter and total ignorance?

 

[dingdong]

Why do you insist upon stereotyping all religious people and then making comments based on your utter and total ignorance?

I guess it's because they believe something that I think only someone who is either ignorant, brainwashed or desperate would even consider believing.

What would you think was wrong with me if I said that Santa Claus (or any mythical being) was real and that he speaks to me and I can feel his presence?

 

[Wicked Willow]

More stereotyping coupled with ignorance.

I'm curious, though: what exactly is it that you're trying to achieve here? Getting people to think like you? Getting people to think, period?

I'm afraid that your approach is counter-productive. Most people around here don't resemble the stereotype you project upon them, and the few who actually might will hardly be swayed by your insults. And in the process, you make an ass of yourself by flaunting your ignorance and your unwillingness/inability to even bother to perceive the people you talk to correctly. In the end, your antics only promote a stereotypical image of "the atheist" that can be used to keep people from actually considering your POV.

 

[dingdong]

More stereotyping coupled with ignorance.

I'm curious, though: what exactly is it that you're trying to achieve here? Getting people to think like you? Getting people to think, period?

I'm afraid that your approach is counter-productive. Most people around here don't resemble the stereotype you project upon them, and the few who actually might will hardly be swayed by your insults. And in the process, you make an ass of yourself by flaunting your ignorance and your unwillingness/inability to even bother to perceive the people you talk to correctly. In the end, your antics only promote a stereotypical image of "the atheist" that can be used to keep people from actually considering your POV.

Getting people to think, period.

Please just answer me ONE THING and I will go away for ever, why do people need Gods???

 

[Wicked Willow]

Getting people to think, period.

Please just answer me ONE THING and I will go away for ever, why do people need Gods???

There are as many answers to that question as there are people who believe in gods - at the very least.

Some find comfort in the notion of cosmic justice, feeling that a world devoid of a Final Judgment would be fundamentally unjust to the wronged and victimised.
Some need to relate to the incomprehensible vastness of existence in a tangible fashion, choosing to personify that which always transcends their understanding.
Some have been brought up to believe that this is the way the universe works, and have never reached the point where they'd question their established world view.
Some have considered many different world views, and still find that theism makes the most sense to them.
Some do not find that naturalistic science and the belief in god(s) are at odds. (And depending on their definition of "god(s)", they might not even be mistaken about that.)
And some have no problem whatsoever with the notion that the gods are "all in our heads" - they just figure that we have very, very large heads.

 

[dingdong]

There are as many answers to that question as there are people who believe in gods - at the very least.

Some find comfort in the notion of cosmic justice, feeling that a world devoid of a Final Judgment would be fundamentally unjust to the wronged and victimised.
Some need to relate to the incomprehensible vastness of existence in a tangible fashion, choosing to personify that which always transcends their understanding.
Some have been brought up to believe that this is the way the universe works, and have never reached the point where they'd question their established world view.
Some have considered many different world views, and still find that theism makes the most sense to them.
Some do not find that naturalistic science and the belief in god(s) are at odds. (And depending on their definition of "god(s)", they might not even be mistaken about that.)
And some have no problem whatsoever with the notion that the gods are "all in our heads" - they just figure that we have very, very large heads.

Thank you for answering in such detail......

So I guess it's me that's the weird one for not hunting around to see what I can believe in,
there are no Gods so where do I go from here? how do I know there are no Gods?
the same way I know there are no Bear Gods or Dog Gods or Oyster Gods, we are animals just like all of the other animals the only difference being, we can imagine Gods and they can't.
We have surrounded ourselves with so much religious ritual that we sometimes forget our place in the scheme of things,
we think we are better than we are and the smarter we get the more superior we think we are and start imagining all kinds of weird and wonderful outcomes to our short lives, when we die we die just like all of the other animals.

There is nothing wrong with making up a few things you would like to happen to you when you die but don't let it rule your life, just remember that you (or someone else) made it all up.

 

[Eudaimonist]

there are no Gods so where do I go from here?

What is the answer to your question? Where are you going from here? Forget about the theists. What sort of worldview are you creating/discovering for yourself?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[dingdong]

What is the answer to your question? Where are you going from here? Forget about the theists. What sort of worldview are you creating/discovering for yourself?

It was a rhetorical question, I think I know exactly where I am going from here, I love to travel and have traveled to quite a few countries, almost all of the continent and I am thinking about moving to Cyprus, I have a brother who has lived there for almost 3 years with his family who I visit often who keeps asking why I don't live and work there? now that they are in the EU I could work there as easily as working in the UK with no UK winters, I must admit it would be strange to live in a holiday destination, I'm in two minds at the moment so there could be something in what you asked, 'Where are you going from here?' dono. (but I'm not going to look for a religion that's a certainty)

As for the 'Worldview' I tend to take every day as it comes.

 

[TLSF]

Hi dingdong,

From my profile it is obvious that I am a Christian and I realize that you have a certain image about Christians. You seem to believe that Christians are stupid and incapable of intellegence. But the fact is you're wrong.

How do I know you're wrong?

I still go to university and most of the people I have met and know are Christians. Among them being students studing Law, Accounting, Mathematics, Engineering etc. I am a thrid year Mechanical Engineering student and being able to advance to my thrid year probably means something, doesn't it? My father has 5 degrees (1 degree, 1 honours, 2 Masters and 1 Doctorite) and by you're beliefs all these people don't think. I have many more examples, but I think I have proved my point.

I know you'll never listen to what I say, because I am just a 'stupid' Christian. But I want to believe that you will listen to a former atheist. I plea with you to please go to this site: ww.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/Pastlife and go to "Why I left Atheism" (Sorry for the bad link, I am not allowed to post links).

I really want to believe that you will go to this site and read it with an open mind. If you still don't believe then I ask you to hold up your end of the bargain and go away forever (didn't think that one through, did you?). Otherwise you're welcome to stay.

 

[dingdong]

Hi dingdong,

From my profile it is obvious that I am a Christian and I realize that you have a certain image about Christians. You seem to believe that Christians are stupid and incapable of intellegence. But the fact is you're wrong.

How do I know you're wrong?

I still go to university and most of the people I have met and know are Christians. Among them being students studing Law, Accounting, Mathematics, Engineering etc. I am a thrid year Mechanical Engineering student and being able to advance to my thrid year probably means something, doesn't it? My father has 5 degrees (1 degree, 1 honours, 2 Masters and 1 Doctorite) and by you're beliefs all these people don't think. I have many more examples, but I think I have proved my point.

I know you'll never listen to what I say, because I am just a 'stupid' Christian. But I want to believe that you will listen to a former atheist. I plea with you to please go to this site: ww.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/Pastlife and go to "Why I left Atheism" (Sorry for the bad link, I am not allowed to post links).

I really want to believe that you will go to this site and read it with an open mind. If you still don't believe then I ask you to hold up your end of the bargain and go away forever (didn't think that one through, did you?). Otherwise you're welcome to stay.

I will most certainly check that link out if you will just tell me one little thing, why do you believe that you need a God.

 

[hikersong]

If you still don't believe then I ask you to hold up your end of the bargain and go away forever (didn't think that one through, did you?). Otherwise you're welcome to stay.

I think you'll find ding-dong made that bargain with Wicked Willow, although I don't think she really meant it, coz Willow did answer her question.

Anyway, welcome to the forum...though I'm a little confused why you're telling people they are welcome to stay...especially after 14 posts. You don't appear to be a moderator.

I will most certainly check that link out if you will just tell me one little thing, why do you believe that you need a God.

I think the idea is that you check the link and you will find that out DD. But hey, you already know the real reason. Why don't you remind us of it for the millionth time. Nobody heard you before. Something about religious people being thick and you being smart. So smart you know exactly how everybody else ticks. Hey, are you God in disguise?

 

[dingdong]

I think the idea is that you check the link and you will find that out DD.

Are you saying he needs a God because someone else said he does? why can't he tell me himself why he feels he needs a God?

But hey, you already know the real reason. Why don't you remind us of it for the millionth time. Nobody heard you before. Something about religious people being thick and you being smart. So smart you know exactly how everybody else ticks. Hey, are you God in disguise?

I don't know the reason that's why I asked, but I certainly think there is something lacking if you all need religion,
I wouldn't go as far as to say someone was thick, perhaps unable to get it all together without divine assistance would be a better description,
if I told you I kept losing a lot of money gambling would you think that perhaps I needed help?
for someone to reach out into thin air and ask for help must show that something is amiss.
But as I said before it's more than likely me that's weird for not looking for a God to worship.

 

[hikersong]

But as I said before it's more than likely me that's weird for not looking for a God to worship.

People far more patient than I have pointed out the problems with your approach, and it has nothing to do with whether or not you are religious or believe in God.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to read any of those posts. You see certain trigger words and then keep repeating pretty much the same thing over and over again. Please, for your own sake try and read what people have been saying. For a start, not everybody here is religious, or wants to find a religion. Me for instance. (Did you hear that...I'm not religious and am not seeking a religion). But if anyone says something you seem to make the assumption that everybody is the same.

So here's a suggestion. Try responding to the points people are actually making in their posts. You'll get so much more out of the experience.

 

[IceJad]

I don't know the reason that's why I asked, but I certainly think there is something lacking if you all need religion,

Let me throw you back a few questions. You need not reply to just think about them.

1) Would my life be complete if I throw religion out the window?
2) Is your life complete now? Nothing lacking? Your reason of being fully satisfy yourself?

I wouldn't go as far as to say someone was thick, perhaps unable to get it all together without divine assistance would be a better description,
if I told you I kept losing a lot of money gambling would you think that perhaps I needed help?

3) Have you ever deep within asking things to go your way knowing for sure they will never? Have you ever hope against all odds?

for someone to reach out into thin air and ask for help must show that something is amiss.
But as I said before it's more than likely me that's weird for not looking for a God to worship.

4) Have you find yourself self-comforting after being defeated? Isn't it foolish to comfort yourself when you should spend that time to learn the mistakes and give it a go again?