Yes, and I wasn't ignoring anything as you claimed.
Only that which has been said, but never addressed....
Markea said:
Well, isn't Jesus the hidden man of the heart according to Peter ?
1Pe 3:1-12 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; (2) While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. (3) Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; (4) But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. (5) For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: (6) Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. (7) Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. (8) Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: (9) Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. (10) For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: (11) Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. (12) For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
Nowhere in this passage does it say that Jesus is the hidden man of the heart. Not once. Peter is speaking to christian women, about their conduct. I would say that the claim that Jesus is the hidden man of the heart in 1 Peter 3:4 (the only place that phrase appears) is without merit or proof. It is made up out of whole cloth. This passage cannot be appealed to as proof of the view being promoted by the OP. It simply does not say what the OP claims it says.
Markea said:
I agree, and WHO is OUR LIFE... is it me, or is it CHRIST in me ? The text is clear, when Christ appears, WHO IS OUR LIFE, we shall appear with Him.. and we do not yet see what we shall be, but we shall be LIKE HIM.
And separate from Him. Christ gives YOU life everlasting, for faith in Him.
Markea said:
No, it shows that you might have a different opinion of what Paul is saying.
I am taking Paul's own words, which are not ambiguous, or unclear, at face value. It is not just my opinion, it is Paul's as well.
Markea said:
Who said anything about being literally dead...?
The undue emphasis on
parts of Paul's and Jesus' statements, while ignoring other parts right next to them, when logically thought out, lead to that conclusion, that literal death is what must be meant. Otherwise, the OP's view is internally inconsistent, and fatally so. And it is clear from Paul's and Jesus' own words that they do not mean literal death in application to the Believer. The OP is taking the part to be the whole, and distorting the words of Paul and Jesus in doing so.
Markea said:
So then there would be CHRIST IN YOU and a RECREATED YOU in you then, correct..? How many is that ?
What difference does it make? The whole view is rife with obvious errors. Many have been pointed out.
Markea said:
Then maybe Paul was mistaken in Romans 7 when he writes about the wretched man that he is, in this body of DEATH.
Look at that phrase: the body of this death. It is the body which the Christian fights against to resist sin, the temptations of the flesh, the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eye, and the boastful pride of life. The Christian's spirit does not desire sin any longer. He has been born from above. But he still lives in the physical body which was the habitation of the old man, the natural man, the carnal man that he was before he was born from above, by God. The source of the Christian's fight against sin is the very body of flesh he inhabits. The answer to your question is right in front of you.
Markea said:
No, you haven't proven anything, you shared your opinion on the matter... unless of course you consider your opinion superior to any other. Christ is created in us... the scriptures are perfectly clear in teaching that CHRIST is in me.. how did He get there ?
Christ is NOT created in any way shape or form. What is created in us is Christ-likeness. Christ is joined to us, and we to Him, in spirit, but He is still Christ, and we are still who we are, forgiven, justified and set apart in Him. We grow in grace and are to become LIKE Him, but we do not become Him.
Markea said:
I asked Dr how this happens although he isn't willing to answer.
Or possibly he senses that you won't receive it, if he does. Just sayin'...
Markea said:
What in the scriptures do you associate with Christ coming into your life and dwelling within you, if it's not when you're born again ?
Christ indwells me in spirit, but He doesn't take me over and push me out, nor is that His purpose in indwelling the Believer. His purpose is to ENABLE the believer to become LIKE Him.
Markea said:
I understand that... I MUST DECREASE and HE MUST INCREASE... and that's a war which every Christian deals with on a daily basis.. the FLESH and the SPIRIT.
Quoting John the Baptist is out of context. The denial of self is denial of self-interest. It is denial of owning one's own life, because Scripture clearly states that we are not our own, we have been bought by another, namely Christ.
Markea said:
It has to do with HEADSHIP... who is going to be LORD of my life... is it me, is it a recreated me, or is it CHRIST in me..?
Who is the HEAD of every man ?
Here we go, drag yet another concept into the mix, because the OP is losing traction, as it is examined, and found to be lacking in logic, consistency, and Scriptural foundation.
Christ is the head of the Body of Christ. We, as His body (corporately and individually) are under that headship. He is the Lord of my life, but He does not live my life, I live the life He has created in me when He birthed me into His Kingdom, that everlasting life which He promised to those who believe on Him. My old life (the old man) has been crucified, and no longer exists, because I have been raised in newness of life to serve Him, nevertheless, I LIVE, but because I am alive, does not mean that I am lord of my life, I have already given that over to Christ, when I believed. I fight against the one remaining vestige of my former life, the body of flesh I inhabit until He comes. But that which I was, is no longer. That which I am now, is by Him, from Him, and is lived unto Him, both now and into the future.