How many have actually read The Great Controversy or The Desire of Ages...

[MoreCoffee]

Thank you for sharing it.

The Pentecostal lady makes a habit of studying what she calls "cult literature"; she has quite a collection of JW and SDA books and some Mormon ones too.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

According to you the law was done away with 2000 yrs ago.

You aren't that old....

Now, you accepted Christ....why?

To go from condemnation to grace, right? To go from hell (the 2nd death) to eternal life, right?

Well, what condemned you that you would flee to Christ?

Answer: The law!

Oh my dear friend. Were you frightened into accepting Christ? I just went to the love. I'd not even heard of the Law. At just over three I couldn't even read. I heard the gospel. That God so loved the world.

 

[Setyoufree]

Excuse my language, but you are an idiot! Read what I have stated. Have I endeavored to place you under law? No!!!!

I apologize for the above. My nature got the best of me....

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

The Pentecostal lady makes a habit of studying what she calls "cult literature"; she has quite a collection of JW and SDA books and some Mormon ones too.

Its still ok, since even Atheists pick up the Bible to mock it, to deride it, and yet when read, there is power in such words, yes even those living words, and they are converted by the Holy Spirit through them.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Its still ok, since even Atheists pick up the Bible to mock it, to deride it, and yet when read, there is power in such words, yes even those living words, and they are converted by the Holy Spirit through them.

I do not think she mocks the books she has, she just sees the teaching in them as heterodox.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Well, Paul says different:

Romans 7:7 I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

Well Paul was raised as a Jew now wasn't he. All he knew was the law. Paul is speaking of his own experience.

 

[Setyoufree]

Well Paul was raised as a Jew now wasn't he. All he knew was the law. Paul is speaking of his own experience.

I'll start another thread on this subject.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Well ...

*ahem*, madame [as all], may we kindly return to OP questions. There was a statement you had earlier made about certain thoughts towards the Book Great Controversy, what were they?, please be specific.

What then of the Desire of Ages? What think you of it?

 

[MoreCoffee]

... thoughts towards the Book Great Controversy, what were they?, please be specific.

I started a thread some time ago about specific chapters in that book. I bet LLoJ could resurrect it if he wanted to

 

[Mama Kidogo]

*ahem*, madame [as all], may we kindly return to OP questions. There was a statement you had earlier made about certain thoughts towards the Book Great Controversy, what were they?, please be specific.

What then of the Desire of Ages? What think you of it?

I find them silly. i find one to be a plagerism of a book written by a man earlier that year.(a book I also find silly) The premise of a woman following the teachings of a false prophet becoming a prophet teaching much the same doesn't lend well to non fiction.

 

[MoreCoffee]

1 Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and brother of James, to those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept safe for Jesus Christ: 2 may mercy, peace, and love be yours in abundance.

3 Beloved, although I was making every effort to write to you about our common salvation, I now feel a need to write to encourage you to contend for the faith that was once for all handed down to the holy ones. 4 For there have been some intruders, who long ago were designated for this condemnation, godless persons, who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Here's the question: are you, if you are a Seventh Day Adventist, beloved in God the Father? Are you, if you are a Seventh Day Adventist, kept safe for Jesus Christ? Are you, if you are a Seventh Day Adventist, one of those who are called?

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

I find them silly. i find one to be a plagerism of a book written by a man earlier that year.(a book I also find silly) The premise of a woman following the teachings of a false prophet becoming a prophet teaching much the same doesn't lend well to non fiction.

Really? Which man, which pages, which references please? Specifics please, less generalities. Have you considered the thorough work of DJ Conklin about such 'charges'? Additionally, 'silly' in what way?

 

[Albion]

Shiny, we responded to the questions posed by the OP. That doesn't mean that all of us necessarily want to get into a full blown discussion of the matter or let ourselves be cross-examined.

I appreciate that you're curious to know details, but it's fair that we just tell you that we did indeed read it/them and what our feelings about the contents are, I think.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Really? Which man, which pages, which references please? Specifics please, less generalities. Have you considered the thorough work of DJ Conklin about such 'charges'? Additionally, 'silly' in what way?

A good number of your readers in this thread know that they do not want to become SDAs

 

[BobRyan]

Seventh-day Adventists believe in the Eph 2:8-10 "saved by grace through faith" statement of scripture - but not in the man-made tradition of OSAS.

Is that your point MC?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Nik0s]

Never read them and have as much interest in reading them as I do the Book of Mormon or the Talmud.

 

[BobRyan]

The law of Moses in not the moral law. The law of Moses is the first, five books of the OT. It includes many laws....

Try to keep your laws straight.....

I am speaking of the moral law! Understand?

There are a great many pro-sunday groups as listed in the signature line below that would argue that the 10 Commandments are in fact for the saints today as they were in Eden.

 

[BobRyan]

I suggest you look up that word fulfill.

Rom 8:1-5 Under the Gospel the saints fulfill the law because the Law "is fulfilled in us walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, I've read The Great Controversy. It's just a history book--and not a very accurate one--with anti-Roman Catholic emphases. I have always wondered where Ellen G. White picked up her copy and what its author had entitled the book.

In many cases with "Great Controversy" and "Desire of Ages" Ellen White was given a first person account of the day, the weather on that day, what people were thinking, who said what -- their actions --- details that not even a first person witness would have when it comes to knowing the thoughts and intents of the hearts of those present.

No other book on those histories does that.

But if someone has "a copy" of another book doing that same thing -- please share the link.

Or continue to imagine one for us - by describing those details in the book.

This point was so obvious that even the Catholic Lawyer and expert on documents and the law who reviewed them - concluded that these books were authentic works by Ellen White.

details matter.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Before you present the law as a standard for Christians living under grace (see Romans 13:8-14), you must first show how Christ fulfilled it and by so doing saved us from under law to under grace.

The believer isn't under law! He has been delivered from under it. Why? Because no one is keeping the law has Christ did. Therefore if you present the law as a standard before you present Christ as a fulfillment of the law, then legalism tends to slip in.

If the author of the OP presents the idea of perfectly keeping the Law of God as Christ did - as a means for the lost to become saved then he would be in error since all have sinned.

Did he actually do that?