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Who was excluded?Yes, I agree. This means that there were some who would be excluded.
So like others, you see this as a numbers game.By doing it the way He did more Gentiles would be saved sooner. If the twelve wasted time going to the Gentiles there would be less time spent converting the Jews. The Jews were prepared for the Messiah, had the OT, strict moral tradition, and lots of knowledge about God, so you really only had to convince they that Jesus was the Messiah and you had a convert. The gentiles at that time would need lots of education. The Samaritans could be easy converts, but going to the Samaritans first would be a huge stumbling block for the Jews to even listen to the apostles teaching. The kingdom needed the prepared Jews first to have the quick strong converts who could than go after the Gentiles and Samaritans.
The Gentiles who died while waiting for the gospel to go to the Jews first.Who was excluded?
Sheol. What about all the Jews that lived in other areas? There is a clear dividing line before and after the resurrection for all...This is a question that begs more questions. What about all the gentiles who died while Jesus was working as a carpenter? What about all the gentiles who didn't live in Palestine? Like the ones throughout Africa, Asia and Europe? What about all the gentiles who died between the Mosaic Covenant and the arrival of Christ?
What about it? Everyone gets a chance. Before the resurrection they went to Sheol to wait...after the resurrection it is a different story, Sheol was emptied!The Gentiles who died while waiting for the gospel to go to the Jews first.
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,What about it? Everyone gets a chance. before the resurrection they went to Sheol to wait...after the resurrection it is a different story, Sheol was emptied!
I see it as the very best way to do it, can you think of a better way?So like others, you see this as a numbers game.
Biblically. God saves His people.I see it as the very best way to do it, can you think of a better way?
None. . .because the Holy Spirit was not at work there.These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
— Matthew 10:5-6
So here we have Jesus deliberately telling His disciples to not go to the Gentiles nor the Samaritans. How many Gentiles and Samaritans could have been saved if Jesus would have sent some disciples there?
Which is what?
Since that isn’t true, there’s no need to read further.That you build your beliefs around your theology, instead of The Bible.
Yes everyone dies once. When is the judgement?? Where are people between death and the judgement? All are the same...death and then how long? a person died 1000 yrs ago and someone died last week. It is the same...there is no time in death...all are resurrected...And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
— Hebrews 9:27
It’s death, then judgment. It’s not death, some second, third or fourth chance, then judgment.Yes everyone dies once. When is the judgement?? Where are people between death and the judgement? All are the same...death and then how long? a person died 1000 yrs ago and someone died last week. It is the same...there is no time in death...all are resurrected...
If Jesus sent them to the Gentiles first and not the Jews then you could argue He loves Gentiles more, but I think it shows priority more than Him not loving everyone the same.I know that eventually He sent them to the Gentiles. But I’ve been repeatedly told that Jesus loves everyone the same and wants everyone saved. This shows that to not be true.
Generally when prioritizing, you give the most important things priority.If Jesus sent them to the Gentiles first and not the Jews then you could argue He loves Gentiles more, but I think it shows priority more than Him not loving everyone the same.
Would it be wrong to attend to God's chosen people first? Ultimately someone has to come first, the first one proselytized could have been Gentile or Jew, but that doesn't mean that the second is loved less. And unless we're trying to make Jesus to be someone who loves certain people less i see no point in making a bigger deal about who was proselytized first than it needs to be. It feels accusatory andGenerally when prioritizing, you give the most important things priority.
Preaching to get people saved on a large-scale started on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 where Peter promised salvation (remission of sins & receipt of the Holy Spirit) to those who would repent and be baptized in response to His preaching. That day started as a believers meeting with just 120 (in the Upper room) and added 3000 new believers.
What is your response supposed to mean?This means that Jesus is more interested in numbers than actual people.
God can do things as He pleases, which is my point. The reason for the thread is because a lot of folks tell me that God loves everyone and wants all men saved, yet we see in scripture where Jesus doesn’t act that way. This is just one example. I can provide more.Would it be wrong to attend to God's chosen people first? Ultimately someone has to come first, the first one proselytized could have been Gentile or Jew, but that doesn't mean that the second is loved less. And unless we're trying to make Jesus to be someone who loves certain people less i see no point in making a bigger deal about who was proselytized first than it needs to be. It feels accusatory and
"But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" Romans 9:20-21
If what you said was true, then it’s not individuals that God is concerned with. He’s just using strategy to get the most people saved.What is your response supposed to mean?
People are individuals - so I don't understand your distinction. Beyond that it is not "If what you said was true" - it is what scripture plainly states.If what you said was true, then it’s not individuals that God is concerned with. He’s just using strategy to get the most people saved.
I agree with d taylor.That you build your beliefs around your theology, instead of The Bible.
This thread shows that, you believe God has elected certain people for eternal life.
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