How many agree with this

[ScottBot]

Those defending this stance, are you not familiar with BAAL????????????

I don't pay any attention to any other diety than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

 

[simonthezealot]

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How so? And what is this "again"?

It was a jab at the "call no man father" scenario..

 

[TraderJack]

Do you see the God of the Jews, different than Christians....because they don't know Jesus?

Why do you reject the Words of Christ Jesus is what I want to know?

 

[simonthezealot]

I don't pay any attention to any other diety than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

JP did

 

[ScottBot]

They say they are true Catholics and you are heretics and counterfeits.

They and the SSPXers make valid points on the changes modernism has made to Romanism.




Neat guy. Holds his papal audiences from a rocking chair on his front porch in Kansas. Humble fellow, not pretentious or arrogant at all like papal Rome.

Not pretentious, if you discount the fact that he was elected by his mommy and daddy.

 

[Albion]

That program does not compute, previous programming too deeply imbedded with strong firewall to be overidden by corrective software.

What part of it don't you get?

 

[TraderJack]

I don't pay any attention to any other diety than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Apparently you do, since you agree that you worship the same god as do the Muslims.

John 5:22-24


22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.'

John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

John 16:3
And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Is the Son included in the God of Abraham?

 

[ScottBot]

JP did

I assume you are talking about Pope John Paul II. No, his entire life was dedicated to spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not some errant Canaanite sun-god.

 

[TraderJack]

What part of it don't you get?

LOL, not me, the ones that programming software was originally directed to.

 

[ScottBot]

Apparently you do, since you agree that you worship the same god as do the Muslims.








Is the Son included in the God of Abraham?

Of course, as a Christian, I understand that Jesus Christ is one in being with the Father. You apparently don't understand that people can misinterpret things and come up erroneous understandings.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It was a jab at the "call no man father" scenario..

I only called me daddy "father" though I also called [he is deceased now] him "pop" and "pops"

http://christianforums.com/t6980813-that-martin-luther-he-wasn’t-so-bad-says-pope.html

LETTER TO POPE LEO X, ACCOMPANYING
THE "RESOLUTIONS" TO THE XCV THESES

1518

To the

Most Blessed Father,

 

[TraderJack]

Not pretentious, if you discount the fact that he was elected by his mommy and daddy.

They are the true Roman Catholic magesterium.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I've already stated my view--that calling two different beings by the same name doesn't mean we are talking about the same person.

That aside, I think you've missed something. Merely being a monotheist doesn't equate to all these religions worshipping the SAME one god.

you're still missing what I'm saying here. I'm saying that the little bit of truth they have about there being one God who created the world...was given to them by Him...because truth comes from God and lies come from the devil... even if everything else they believe is wrong...and when they pray to Him or worship, it does matter that they are praying to 'one God', He attributes that part of it to Himself.

However, they can't KNOW God without Christ, or experience a relationship with Him. And I'm sure all the lies they believe grieve our Lord. But, He knows their hearts too and wants to bring them to the truth, and loves them no less than He loves us!

 

[ScottBot]

I only calls me daddy "father" though I also called [he is deceased now] him "pop" and "pops"

http://christianforums.com/t6980813-that-martin-luther-he-wasn’t-so-bad-says-pope.html

LETTER TO POPE LEO X, ACCOMPANYING
THE "RESOLUTIONS" TO THE XCV THESES

1518

To the

Most Blessed Father,

you call your paternal parent "father"? Heretic. Go to tulc's and get some coffee.

 

[ScottBot]

They are the true Roman Catholic magesterium.

No, they aren't. If they were, they wouldn't have taken it upon themselves to hold their own conclave and elect their son to be a "pope".

 

[TraderJack]

You apparently don't understand that people can misinterpret things and come up erroneous understandings.

Oh, I understand that quite well since that is precisely how Roman Catholicism morphed into it's own religion during the Dark Ages.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

you call your paternal parent "father"? Heretic. Go to tulc's and get some coffee.

tulc is Da Man!!!!!

http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/jesus.html

Like Jesus (A.S.), Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also a Prophet and Messenger. Muhammed (P.B.U.H.) is the last Prophet, though, and there is none after him. Hence, Islam is the last religion, complete, with the Holy Qur'an as the unchanged and perfect word of God for over 1400 years, as God promised to preserve it till the last day for all of humankind, unlike sacred texts of other religions which have mulitple versions and are "revised" periodically. God, or Allah in Arabic, is Divine and Supreme Being and Creator.

 

[TraderJack]

No, they aren't. If they were, they wouldn't have taken it upon themselves to hold their own conclave and elect their son to be a "pope".

Sure they would. It's no different than Rome's methodology.

 

[TraderJack]

Of course, as a Christian, I understand that Jesus Christ is one in being with the Father. You apparently don't understand that people can misinterpret things and come up erroneous understandings.

They didn't come up with "misunderstandings", they came up with a totally different god.

Would you also say the Mormons just have some "misunderstandings"?


JPII and Lumen Gentium both say that Roman Catholicism and Islam "adore"(ie-worship), "one and the same" god.

The document: "Nostra Aetate" states:


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The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men.


Is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ the same as Allah?



The Biblical doctrine on the Trinity is correctly expressed in the Nicene and Athanasian creeds:

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We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father…We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life…
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Now the catholic faith is that we worship One God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is One, the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.​

The importance of the doctrine of the Deity of Christ cannot be overstated. Unless the Son is truly God and 'one with the Father', Christians would be idolaters, for we regard Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and gladly worship him. If Jesus were not God, we would be found trusting in a creature for our salvation. But we confess that Jesus is not merely another prophet, but the Son of God. The Jews in hid day understood well what he meant by that title: 'For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God' (John 10:33). They did not believe his claim to Deity and condemned him to death for blasphemy. But Christians understand his claim and believe him; we trust and worship the Son of God; we live and die for our Lord. For in Christ we know God in truth:

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And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life (1 John 5:20, 21)
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The Son is the true God; any other god is an idol.

Islam vehemently rejects the doctrine of God as revealed in Holy Scriptures.

Islam denies the Trinity:

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Certainly they disbelieve those who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve (Sura 5:73).

O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not 'Three' - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son (Sura 4:171).
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Islam denies the Father and the Son:

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The Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them (Sura 9:29-30).
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It does not befit GOD that He begets a son, be He glorified (Sura 19:35).​

Islam denies the Deity of Christ:

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The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was no more than God’s apostle (Sura 4).
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They do blaspheme who say: Allah is Christ the son of Mary (Sura 5:72).​

And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right (Sura 5:116).​

In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary (Sura 5:17).​

Clearly then, the Quran denies:

1. The Trinity;
2. The Sonship of Christ;
3. The Deity of Christ.
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The conclusion is inescapeable: the god of Islam is not the same God of the Holy Scriptures. Christians do not adore the same God as Muslims. Muslims are not merely ignorant of the Triune nature of God and the Deity of the Son: the Quran explicitly negates the doctrine of Christ as taught in the Bible. Rather than adoring God with us, Muslims pray to their god that he might destroy us because of our faith in Christ, the Son of God.


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'The Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them' (Sura 9:29-30)



How could Roman Catholics and Muslims worship the same God since Muslims deny the Trinity, the Sonship and the Deity of our Lord?




Quite frankly, the statement that Catholics and Muslims adore the same God is false. I won't speculate on the motives of the Roman Catholic hierarchy for making this false assertion. However, it should be evident to every Roman Catholic who has placed their confidence in the infallibility and unchangeableness of the Roman magisterium, that in fact the Vatican's teaching on this matter has changed and that it is both fallible and in grievious error bordering on blasphemy.

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[Albion]

you're still missing what I'm saying here.

Maybe it's just the way you put it ( "...but they still worship 'one God'...there is but one God.)

I'm saying that the little bit of truth they have about there being one God who created the world...was given to them by Him...because truth comes from God and lies come from the devil... even if everything else they believe is wrong...and when they pray to Him or worship, it does matter that they are praying to 'one God', He attributes that part of it to Himself.

OK, I get your point. I don't agree with it, but I see what you're saying. IMO, there is no reason to presume that thinking of god as unitary has to have come from God himself. If it did, why would he stop there?