How many 2024 predictions have already failed? How many HAVE to fail before people realise?

[ViaCrucis]

You didn't say you didn't believe my claim.

You said the United states is not in the bible .The Iraq war is not in the bible.

The only way you can make such bold claim is by knowing and understand every prophecy and word in the Bible without fail.

I will also say that fairies aren't in the Bible, neither is Coca-Cola or Mickey Mouse. The confidence to know that much is not a claim to all knowledge.

Or should we permit that anything and everything could be in the Bible?

Tell me, does the Bible mention Micky Mouse? Should I entertain the possibility that the Bible talks about Micky Mouse because someone on the internet were to tell me so?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

The only servant who does not know when the master comes is the wicked servant.


. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

So the Apostles were wicked servants?

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."
"Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."

-CryptoLutheran

 

[tailgator]

Jesus was clear that concerning His coming there aren't signs. Instead He says it will be as in the time of Noah, people going about their business, getting married, having families, when without warning the flood came. He says two will work the grindstone, one taken and one left; two will be working the field, one taken and one left.

If you want to know what Jesus means about being watchful, don't stop reading, keep reading. Read the rest of the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 25. Who are the unwise virgins? The ones who failed to bring enough oil to last through the night (they did not endure through the wait); who is the faithless servant? The one who, instead of taking what he was given and doing something with it, buried it in the ground and waited around until the master came. When the King comes to Judge, there will be those on His right and on His left, what does He say to those on His right? What does He say to those on His left?

Notice that absolutely none of this has to do with trying to make predictions. The signs the Lord gives come before He talks about His return, and are the signs of the destruction of the Temple, fulfilled during the Jewish-Roman War. Near the very start of the Discourse the Lord warns against listening to people claiming to know things, "If someone says He is in the desert, do not believe them", He says that when we see wars and rumors of wars, natural disasters, or kingdom rise against kingdom, that this isn't a sign of the end, these are birthpangs.

You know where else that talk of birthpangs shows up? In Romans 8, talking about the pain of creation currently suffering under the futility of death, longing for the day of resurrection. That's what birthpangs are--a world that is hurting because there is sin and death. That's why there is war, that is why there are rumors of war, that is why their are earthquakes and other natural disasters, that is why nations rise against nation, and kingdoms against kingdom--because we live in a fallen and broken world of sin and death.

Read the entire Olivet Discourse, and read it carefully. Let the text speak for itself.

-CryptoLutheran

False.
Jesus said the wicked would be doing as the wicked did during the days of Noah when the flood came and took all the wicked away.

It's the wicked who do not know when the master comes.

I've read the Olivet discourse many times.
Jesus gives many signs in the Olivet discourse which takes place before Jesus coming .There are also many more signs throughout the bible that take place before Jesus comes.

 

[tailgator]

I will also say that fairies aren't in the Bible, neither is Coca-Cola or Mickey Mouse. The confidence to know that much is not a claim to all knowledge.

Or should we permit that anything and everything could be in the Bible?

Tell me, does the Bible mention Micky Mouse? Should I entertain the possibility that the Bible talks about Micky Mouse because someone on the internet were to tell me so?

-CryptoLutheran

You claimed that what is in the bible is not.

Just because your ignorant of certain prophecies in the bible does not make those prophecies fairy tales..
You should just be honest and say you don't know as it's obvious you don't.Its ok to not know something.Its not ok to mislead others out of ignorance.

 

[tailgator]

So the Apostles were wicked servants?

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."
"Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."

-CryptoLutheran

The apostles who lived 2000 years ago are not alive to see the end time signs Jesus and the prophets gave for them who live at the time of the end to see.



Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into


I know what time of night the thief comes.
I learned from watching.



But you teach others to disobey Jesus,and to not watch.
Why do you teach others to disobey Jesus?

 

[tailgator]

So the Apostles were wicked servants?

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."
"Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."

-CryptoLutheran

Why do you teach others to disobey Jesus?



Mark 13
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

 

[tailgator]

Some people go out of their way to not learn simple things

If you watched and saw the two witnesses being killed in Jerusalem,would you not know that they would be resurected 3.5 days later?Would you not know there would be a great earthquake and a cloud ascending into heaven the same hour?

If you saw the two witnesses arrive in Israel would you not know they would occupy Israel for 42 months (1260 days)?

Fact is ,if you watch ,you would know all these things.

If you watched as the daily sacrifice was abolished in Israel ,would you not know the exact day the abomination of desolation would be set up by the armed forces?

The wicked won't know anything just as they didn't know anything in the days of Noah before the flood came and took them all away.
But the wise will know the exact date the abomination will be placed in Jerusalem 3.5 years in advance.The reason they will know is because they watch as Jesus commands in the gospel.

The wicked don't watch.

 

[eclipsenow]

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

1. What possible benefit is it to someone if they know a date? How does that help? What are we meant to do about it?
2. How does it reconcile with Jesus saying he will return like a thief in the night? To everyone? There's no exceptions - not even God's people? Sure he said "As in the days of Noah" - and Noah knew and was building the ark. But see - if you understand the gospel correctly - Jesus death and resurrection is the ark, temple, sacrifice, high priest, etc. There are no works to be added to Jesus death and resurrection. However, if we do not really trust in his gospel sacrifice - we will not really live with him as the king. Which is what Matthew is really all about - and 1 Thess 5 for that matter. It's not about knowing a date - but a person - and living in light of what that relationship with Jesus means.
3. If most of Revelation has been about today - what good has it been to Christians for 2000 years?
4. So even above in Matthew the parable shows it's not about knowing a date, but knowing the Lord and living in the light of his kingdom. Knowing a reality and morality to live by. Being prepared by living a sober, disciplined, loving Christian life. (See 1 Thess 5 again.)

The whole exercise of trying to predict a date or even season or year from 'end times events' is wrong - because there are no specific end times events. Basically Revelation generally describes the entire Last Days between Jesus R&R - Resurrection & Return. In some areas of the world there will be harsh persecution. In others there could be incredible temptations to trust in wealth - and live for pleasure - as we in the western economies generally do. And Revelation contains graphic images to disturb us out of our spiritual sloth and remind us there is a war going on. And has been for 2000 years!

 

[tailgator]

1. What possible benefit is it to someone if they know a date? How does that help? What are we meant to do about it?
2. How does it reconcile with Jesus saying he will return like a thief in the night? To everyone? There's no exceptions - not even God's people? Sure he said "As in the days of Noah" - and Noah knew and was building the ark. But see - if you understand the gospel correctly - Jesus death and resurrection is the ark, temple, sacrifice, high priest, etc. There are no works to be added to Jesus death and resurrection. However, if we do not really trust in his gospel sacrifice - we will not really live with him as the king. Which is what Matthew is really all about - and 1 Thess 5 for that matter. It's not about knowing a date - but a person - and living in light of what that relationship with Jesus means.
3. If most of Revelation has been about today - what good has it been to Christians for 2000 years?
4. So even above in Matthew the parable shows it's not about knowing a date, but knowing the Lord and living in the light of his kingdom. Knowing a reality and morality to live by. Being prepared by living a sober, disciplined, loving Christian life. (See 1 Thess 5 again.)

The whole exercise of trying to predict a date or even season or year from 'end times events' is wrong - because there are no specific end times events. Basically Revelation generally describes the entire Last Days between Jesus R&R - Resurrection & Return. In some areas of the world there will be harsh persecution. In others there could be incredible temptations to trust in wealth - and live for pleasure - as we in the western economies generally do. And Revelation contains graphic images to disturb us out of our spiritual sloth and remind us there is a war going on. And has been for 2000 years!

So you don't know why all these signs of the times are given in scripture with the amount of days between these events.

I have no problem understanding why God shared these important things with us for our benefit.


But as scripture says,the wicked will do wickedly and none of the wicked will understand.As we have seen in scripture, the wicked don't even watch.And dont even act like you know the Lord when you tell everyone to disobey the Lord.


Mark 13
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

 

[Oseas]

You do like to accuse others of lying, don't you?
Except - if you would be so kind - please go back and check my source?
I might not be a man of great character - but my source certainly is.
And there's no USA or Russia in the bible - not matter how many times you try to ram those words over Daniel!

You don't know what hour of the night the thief comes because you don't watch.
Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

Again.
You don't know what hour of the night the thief comes because you don't watch.
Matthew 24: 42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day (on what day within the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, understand?) your Lord will come".

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days (last 2000 years)spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Person of GOD, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Mark 13:32
32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man,no,not the angels which are in heaven,neither the Son,but theFather

And Daniel prophesied: Daniel 12:10-12

10 Many shall be purified(the believers, the Church of the Lord, the body of Christ-Revelation 19:8->8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen,clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints),
and made white,
and tried;
but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand(the betrayers like Judas Iscariots-John 6:70- take a look, and apostates, false Christians,etc.);
but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(in the middle of the last week, 2Thessalonians 2:7-9, take a look, the sacrifice of JESUS already lasts around 738.600 days, and will still remain for a little time-Matthew 24:15),
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAST WEEK),
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. -->45 days after the END of 1290 days-2nd half of the last week, then --> Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days, Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335, Hallelujaaah!!! 45 days after the END of establishment of the Abomination of Desolation.
.
The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.

GET READY

 

[ViaCrucis]

False.
Jesus said the wicked would be doing as the wicked did during the days of Noah when the flood came and took all the wicked away.

It's the wicked who do not know when the master comes.

I've read the Olivet discourse many times.
Jesus gives many signs in the Olivet discourse which takes place before Jesus coming .There are also many more signs throughout the bible that take place before Jesus comes.

Then why does Jesus say no one knows, and that He comes when we don't expect?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Why do you teach others to disobey Jesus?



Mark 13
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

That doesn't answer my question. Were the Apostles wicked servants?

And I haven't told anyone not to watch. But you have ignored the Scripture I've provided. Jesus tells us what it means to be a faithful servant, and it's not to try and divine signs like an astrologer or soothsayer. It's to obey the Master.

When the King comes and divides the sheep and the goats, does He divide them based on whether or not they soothsayed and tried to divine portents? Or based on how they treated their neighbors?

If you aren't capable of not lying about others in order to make your argument, then you probably don't have a good argument.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

The apostles who lived 2000 years ago are not alive to see the end time signs Jesus and the prophets gave for them who live at the time of the end to see.

And you are? Because you say so?

What about all the people in the past who claimed they saw these "end times signs", should they have been believed?

Should I believe your claims up until they don't come to pass? That doesn't seem like being a faithful servant to me.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

You claimed that what is in the bible is not.

I claimed that you are wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[tailgator]

Then why does Jesus say no one knows, and that He comes when we don't expect?

-CryptoLutheran

He doesn't come unexpectedly to anyone who watches.Thats why he said to watch.

Did the flood come upon Noah unexpectedly?
No.Noah knew what was going to happen before it happened and knew a certain amount of time before the rain started when it would rain.

 

[ViaCrucis]

He doesn't come unexpectedly to anyone who watches.Thats why he said to watch.

Then why did He say no one knows? Was He lying?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[tailgator]

I claimed that you are wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

False,that is a lie.
You said the following quote.

The United States isn't in Scripture.
The Iraq War isn't in Scripture.

-CryptoLutheran

You said this out of ignorance ,not knowing where these things are in scripture.

 

[tailgator]

Then why did He say no one knows? Was He lying?

-CryptoLutheran

Are you blind?
Why did Jesus say to watch?
Can you not comprehend why Jesus said to watch ?Is it that hard for you?

 

[tailgator]

And you are? Because you say so?

What about all the people in the past who claimed they saw these "end times signs", should they have been believed?

Should I believe your claims up until they don't come to pass? That doesn't seem like being a faithful servant to me.

-CryptoLutheran

If you want to believe the time of the end was thousands of years ago then that is your belief.You have been misled by those who said it was.

 

[tailgator]

Then why did He say no one knows? Was He lying?

-CryptoLutheran

You just keep on telling people to disobey Jesus as you do.See what it gets you.

Mark 13

34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch