How many 2024 predictions have already failed? How many HAVE to fail before people realise?

[tailgator]

I do not claim they are all history! Try reading my last post again.
I explained tricky concepts quite concisely - for me anyway.
Try reading what I actually wrote. Seriously - if you call that gibberish - I don't think you have a hope of understanding Revelation.
I'm trying to establish the hermeneutical baseline for you.
The lens through which we view the whole book.
Then the elements in it will make sense.
But there's always the podcast and 2 videos to help you.
Oh - and while I believe in the Perspicuity of Scripture for all things necessary for salvation (Westminster) - NOT all of the bible is Perspicuous. This part requires some serious study. Some very real world hermeneutics. And if you don't have time to understand what that is, then you can stomp your foot and demand I explain where THIS symbolic image or THAT thing actually happened in history - and you can turn your nose up at every single explanation I give not meeting YOUR reading of the passage - but the thing you will not understand? Why your reading is wrong.

Then there are plenty of signs to be fulfilled before the wicked are taken away as in the days of Noah.
You was wrong to believe nothing will take place before that time.

 

[tailgator]

That's a concrete example from history of the kind of chaotic things we do to each other when the 4 horsemen of war ride out. 9/11 as an act of terrorism was also an act of war - and it resulted in war coming to Iraq and Afghanistan. War brings war, poverty, expensive food prices, famine, disease and death to Iraq and Afghanistan.

So yes - Revelation 6 was describing the kind of thing that happens in war. Generally speaking, to Christians who were suffering under the most successful empire at war of that age - Imperial Rome!

But no - it's not an event in some imagined End Times Table of yours. Yes - it's generally described by Revelation - but not specifically. That's just you playing pin-the-news-clipping on the End Times Wall. Tell us all - if it denotes some particular event in a futurist End Times Table - which one is it? How far through that End Times Table are we? What's next? Want to inform us? Or is it all just unhelpful speculation?

Oh - and do you think John's generation could "OBEY" this message? Read Chapter 1. He wanted them to take it to heart. Do you think they could imagine the size of those buildings? Jet airliners? Really? What GOOD was that passage of Revelation to them?

Revelation 6 was not fulfilled 2000 years ago.
The stars of heaven did not fall to the earth and the heavens did not depart as a scroll being rolled together.That kind of weapon was not invented till the 20th century.
Weapons that create earthquakes and great signs in the heavens did not exist 2000 years ago

 

[parousia70]

Revelation 6 was not fulfilled 2000 years ago.
The stars of heaven did not fall to the earth and the heavens did not depart as a scroll being rolled together.That kind of weapon was not invented till the 20th century.
Weapons that create earthquakes and great signs in the heavens did not exist 2000 years ago

What sort of weapon that is available today would cause a Star to fall to earth?

 

[keras]

What sort of weapon that is available today would cause a Star to fall to earth?

The Lord has the means to do what is Prophesied in His storehouse; Deuteronomy 32:34-35

Those 'stars' referred to in Rev 6:13, are not stars like Alpha Centuri or Betelgeuse, as they would swallow our solar system.
They will be our thousands of satellites, who will be pushed out of orbit by the pressure wave of an explosion on the suns surface. The bright flash of this is what Isaiah 30:26a describes and is vividly Prophesied in over 100 Bible verses, as the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath.
We Bible believers should know all about it and what the world will be like after it.

 

[tailgator]

What sort of weapon that is available today would cause a Star to fall to earth

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• Nuclear fusion
  Nuclear fusion is the process that occurs in the core of a star when hydrogen atoms are squeezed together to form helium, releasing energy. This process is similar to what happens in a nuclear weapon, where hydrogen is compressed to a high density, causing it to fuse into helium and release energy.
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• Temperature
  At its peak, a 1-megaton nuclear weapon can reach temperatures of about 100 million degrees Celsius at its center, which is about four to five times hotter than the center of the sun.
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  The missiles carrying these weapons would look much like a falling star .Like the missiles that fell on Israel today but with a greater kick to them.Powerful enough to cause the heavens to depart as a scroll being rolled together.That inward circular motion in the updraft of a nuclear explosion.The nuclear explosion is accompanied by a earthquake as seen in revelation 6 and 11.
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• Revelation 6
• 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
  
  14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
  
  15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

 

[tailgator]

What sort of weapon that is available today would cause a Star to fall to earth?

The same ones that causes the earthquakes and fearful signs in the heavens.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.



Heaven departing as a scroll being rolled together.

 

[Oseas]

Revelation 6 was not fulfilled 2000 years ago.
The stars of heaven did not fall to the earth and the heavens did not depart as a scroll being rolled together.That kind of weapon was not invented till the 20th century.
Weapons that create earthquakes and great signs in the heavens did not exist 2000 years ago

What you wrote above has nothing to do with the Spirit of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, understand? Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective. John 3:31->... he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: ...

GOD said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven(HEAVEN? Ephesians 1:3-8) to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8) to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And GOD made TWO great lights(physically there are trillions); the Greater Light to rule the day( But let us, who are ruled of the day... 1Thessalonians 5:8), and the Lesser Light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And the evening and the morning were the FOURTH Day- Genesis 1:14-16 and 19.

- GOD sent JESUS here in the FOURTH DAY or around 4000 years after Adam. And JESUS said: John 5:17->My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. GOD the Father was still working, as said my Lord JESUS, because still was the FOURTH Day- Genesis 1:16 - JESUS is the Greater Light- John 12:46:->I am come a Light into the world,that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.->children of light-1 Thes.5:5.

- The Lesser Light is the Holy Spirit, the Lesser among the three. GOD the Father is greater than JESUS, and JESUS is greater than the Holy Spirit, as JESUS said: John 16:12-15->13 ... he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: ... 14 - He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall TAKE of MINE, and shall shew it unto you.

- THE STARS. The stars are the TRUE believers. Daniel 12:3-> And they that be wise(true believers) shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the STARS for ever and ever.

ATTENTION!!!
Be careful with the TAIL of the red DRAGON,but why? Revelation 12:3-4 reveal and explain why: 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8 combined with Job 1:6-8); and behold a great red dragon, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.
4 And his TAIL (Isaiah 9:15-16) drew the third part of the STARS of heaven(Ephesians 1:3-8 combined with Daniel 12:3, among many other biblical references) and did cast them to the earth:

Be careful with the demonic body of the red Dragon having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...

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[tailgator]

What you wrote above has nothing to do with the Spirit of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, understand? Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective. John 3:31->... he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: ...

GOD said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven(HEAVEN? Ephesians 1:3-8) to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8) to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And GOD made TWO great lights(physically there are trillions); the Greater Light to rule the day( But let us, who are ruled of the day... 1Thessalonians 5:8), and the Lesser Light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And the evening and the morning were the FOURTH Day- Genesis 1:14-16 and 19.

- GOD sent JESUS here in the FOURTH DAY or around 4000 years after Adam. And JESUS said: John 5:17->My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. GOD the Father was still working, as said my Lord JESUS, because still was the FOURTH Day- Genesis 1:16 - JESUS is the Greater Light- John 12:46:->I am come a Light into the world,that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.->children of light-1 Thes.5:5.

- The Lesser Light is the Holy Spirit, the Lesser among the three. GOD the Father is greater than JESUS, and JESUS is greater than the Holy Spirit, as JESUS said: John 16:12-15->13 ... he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: ... 14 - He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall TAKE of MINE, and shall shew it unto you.

- THE STARS. The stars are the TRUE believers. Daniel 12:3-> And they that be wise(true believers) shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the STARS for ever and ever.

ATTENTION!!!
Be careful with the TAIL of the red DRAGON,but why? Revelation 12:3-4 reveal and explain why: 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8 combined with Job 1:6-8); and behold a great red dragon, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.
4 And his TAIL (Isaiah 9:15-16) drew the third part of the STARS of heaven(Ephesians 1:3-8 combined with Daniel 12:3, among many other biblical references) and did cast them to the earth:

Be careful with the demonic body of the red Dragon having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...

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John was describing what he saw.
He saw a great earthquake,and the stars of heaven falling to the earth and the heavens depart as a scroll bring rolled together.
It was a very good description .


He did not see a red dragon in revelation 6 or he would have said so.

 

[Oseas]

This is an example of documented proof.
This is proof that the twin towers in NY city were hit by jets.There were thousands of witnesses who witnessed this take place.

Now I'd like to see documented proof that what you say is true.There should at least be thousands of witnesses to witness everyone who had taken the mark of the beast recieved a grievous sore.Provide their testimonies if nothing else

Speaking of the twin towers in NY city, What was the biblical significance of the construction and fall of the TWO TOWERS of the World Trade Center?

What was the biblical significance of the construction and fall of the TWO TOWERS of the World Trade Center?

First, GOD was/is in control of history, nothing random happens. The United States was the single largest economy on the planet, followed by the European Union. Humanity had just entered a new millennium, from the sixth to the seventh(check it in...

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The current satanic world of the Devil is already crumbling.

cross necklace --> posts 67-68 and 70

 

[Oseas]

John was describing what he saw.
He saw a great earthquake,and the stars of heaven falling to the earth and the heavens depart as a scroll bring rolled together.
It was a very good description .

Oh no, you are being materialist exceedingly. What does the Word of GOD say? Remember: The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.
Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the STARS of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.--> (COMMENT: The great earthquake has nothing to do with is showed in your VIDEO, neither with tectonic plates, nor with anything of your imagination and speculation. In the other hand. speaking at school level, the average distance from the earth to the sun it is around 150 millions of Km, and the moon 384.400 km, and to think STARS of the Universe will fall unto the earth is ridiculous. BY THE WAY, the woman is CLOTHED with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and upon her head a CROWN of twelve STARS-Revelation 12:1.

14 And the heaven(heaven: Ephesians 1:3-8) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together(Isaiah 40:22); and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Isaiah 40:22->It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth ... ;that stretcheth out the heavens(for now the 1st and 2nd heavens, the 3rd will be established in this Day, the Lord's Day-Luke 20:35-36)

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH of the Lamb:

17 For the great Day of his wrath is come(the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day,(THIS DAY ARRIVED) or seventh and last millennium) ; and who shall be able to stand?

He did not see a red dragon in revelation 6 or he would have said so.

My point is the third part of the STARS being drew of heaven(EPHESIANS 1:3-8) by the TAIL of the red Dragon(Isaiah 9:15-16 combined with 2 Corinthians 11:13-15), and being cast them to the earth: Revelation 12:3-4. Terrible, very terrible.

 

[Oseas]

The Lord has the means to do what is Prophesied in His storehouse; Deuteronomy 32:34-35
Those 'stars' referred to in Rev 6:13, are not stars like Alpha Centuri or Betelgeuse, as they would swallow our solar system.

Right.

They will be our thousands of satellites, who will be pushed out of orbit by the pressure wave of an explosion on the suns surface. The bright flash of this is what Isaiah 30:26a describes and is vividly Prophesied in over 100 Bible verses, as the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath.
We Bible believers should know all about it and what the world will be like after it.

Oh no, what you wrote will NEVER happpen, but NEVER. It is ficticious and has nothing to do with the Word of GOD. It is mere invention, something like cunnigly devised fable.

 

[eclipsenow]

Then there are plenty of signs to be fulfilled before the wicked are taken away as in the days of Noah.

Jesus said no

 

[eclipsenow]

Revelation 6 was not fulfilled 2000 years ago.
The stars of heaven did not fall to the earth and the heavens did not depart as a scroll being rolled together.That kind of weapon was not invented till the 20th century.
Weapons that create earthquakes and great signs in the heavens did not exist 2000 years ago

But it sort of was, and is, and will be fulfilled in that it generally describes what happens when us humans go to war. John is using the 4 horsemen as symbols of what happens every time we ride off to war. John is reminding his generation that as they see persecutions and wars break out - stay faithful - because one day the Lord WILL return and deal with all this mess. It's not a prediction about a specific war, but the general message that as you see wars across the 2000 years (and counting) between the Resurrection and Return - stay faithful!

Because at the end of Revelation 6 - Jesus returns! Like a thief in the night, like the master, like the bridegroom, like the investor, like the JUDGE! That of course has not happened yet. We wait for the Return.

I've timed this video to Rev 6 - it's only a few minutes. I think you'll be surprised at what it says about the timing of this and the next few scenes in Revelation! (Only a few minutes - and remember - while the Bible Project is HUGE and covers the whole bible, theological ideas, what salvation is, etc etc... the guy has a Phd in this exact stuff!)

Please - just a few minutes

 

[keras]

• 
  
• Nuclear fusion
  Nuclear fusion is the process that occurs in the core of a star when hydrogen atoms are squeezed together to form helium, releasing energy. This process is similar to what happens in a nuclear weapon, where hydrogen is compressed to a high density, causing it to fuse into helium and release energy.
• 
  
• Temperature
  At its peak, a 1-megaton nuclear weapon can reach temperatures of about 100 million degrees Celsius at its center, which is about four to five times hotter than the center of the sun.
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• 
  The missiles carrying these weapons would look much like a falling star .Like the missiles that fell on Israel today but with a greater kick to them.Powerful enough to cause the heavens to depart as a scroll being rolled together.That inward circular motion in the updraft of a nuclear explosion.The nuclear explosion is accompanied by a earthquake as seen in revelation 6 and 11.
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• Revelation 6
• 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
  
  14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
  
  15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Wrong, even a multiple exchange of nukes in the Northern hemisphere, would not do what is Prophesied. Me in New Zealand would be virtually unaffected. We would have to eat all the food we now export.

How Revelation 6:13 will be fulfilled:
SUPERSTORM TRIGGERED A MASS MIGRATION OF SATELLITES: Earth just experienced the biggest mass migration of satellites in history. On May 10, 2024, approximately 5000 spacecraft had to maneuver to maintain altitude, resisting a geomagnetic storm that was trying to pull them down. The event is described in a research paper just accepted by the Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets.

"Most were SpaceX Starlink satellites," says William Parker of MIT, the paper's lead author. "Each satellite has a GNSS receiver as well as autonomous station-keeping and collision-avoidance capabilities. When they sensed the effects of the storm, thousands of the satellites made the decision to manoeuvre."
The need to migrate upward was caused by a sudden increase in satellite drag. Earth's atmosphere absorbed a huge amount of energy from the solar storm, causing it to puff up like a marshmallow held over a campfire. Tendrils of heated air reached into space and started dragging the satellites down.

"The superstorm's peak power was 2.63 TeraWatts," says Martin Mlynczak, who retired from NASA's Langley Research Center a month after the storm. Before he left, he used infrared data from NASA's TIMED spacecraft to estimate the amount of thermal energy dumped into the upper atmosphere. "It deposited enough energy to run my house for 10 million years (I average about 510 kWh per month)," he says.

Earth's atmosphere has been heated this much before, most recently during the Halloween storms of 2003. In those days, however, the satellite population was relatively low (fewer than 1000) and there was no mass migration.

"The May 2024 geomagnetic storm was the first major storm to occur during a new paradigm in low Earth orbit satellite operations dominated by commercial small satellites," the authors wrote in their paper.

Thanks mainly to the advent of Starlink in 2019, Earth now has almost 10,000 active satellites--ten times the number in 2003. When a fraction of them unexpectedly decide to change course all at once, satellite operators must scramble to track them, making sure they don't collide. This creates a new and unprecedented risk for all satellites, even ones that don't move.

It's a problem that will only get worse in the years ahead. "Major storms are more likely throughout 2024-2025 during the peak of Solar Cycle 25," says Parker, "and the satellite population continues to grow."
Ref: spaceweather.com July 2024

 

[eclipsenow]

Wrong, even a multiple exchange of nukes in the Northern hemisphere, would not do what is Prophesied. Me in New Zealand would be virtually unaffected. We would have to eat all the food we now export.

Depends how many 'multiples' we are talking about.

Recent studies of smoke in the 2019 Australian 'mega-fires' have shown that black carbon in smoke can be heated by sunlight and lifted even higher up. In a full scale nuclear war, the firestorms might lift all that soot up 15 to 20 km. The sun keeps it there - like a hot air balloon with enough fuel to keep the balloon aloft for years. It might float around up there for a decade!

While hundreds of millions might die in the nuclear war itself, shutting down all agriculture across the Northern Hemisphere might starve up to 5 BILLION.

They estimate only 1% of many northern nations would survive.
About 4 minutes.

Australia and Argentina come out of it pretty well - but NZ loses about a quarter of your population to starvation.

Study by Xia et al - 2022. Global food insecurity and famine from reduced crop, marine fishery and livestock production due to climate disruption from nuclear war soot injection - Nature Food

 

[tailgator]

Jesus said no

Jesus said there would be none for the wicked.
And you have seen not one

I have been watching prophecy being fulfilled since I received the holy Ghost.Both US/Iraq wars ,Trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem.The Israel Gaza war,Israel bombing Lebanon are all signs in the bible.There were prophecies being fulfilled before I received the holy Ghost .
But for some reason ,you don't understand any of those things written in the bible.Could it be because the men you chose to be your teacher?

 

[tailgator]

But it sort of was, and is, and will be fulfilled in that it generally describes what happens when us humans go to war. John is using the 4 horsemen as symbols of what happens every time we ride off to war. John is reminding his generation that as they see persecutions and wars break out - stay faithful - because one day the Lord WILL return and deal with all this mess. It's not a prediction about a specific war, but the general message that as you see wars across the 2000 years (and counting) between the Resurrection and Return - stay faithful!

Because at the end of Revelation 6 - Jesus returns! Like a thief in the night, like the master, like the bridegroom, like the investor, like the JUDGE! That of course has not happened yet. We wait for the Return.

I've timed this video to Rev 6 - it's only a few minutes. I think you'll be surprised at what it says about the timing of this and the next few scenes in Revelation! (Only a few minutes - and remember - while the Bible Project is HUGE and covers the whole bible, theological ideas, what salvation is, etc etc... the guy has a Phd in this exact stuff!)

Please - just a few minutes

No,revelation 6 was not fufilled 2000 years ago.

 

[tailgator]

Wrong, even a multiple exchange of nukes in the Northern hemisphere, would not do what is Prophesied. Me in New Zealand would be virtually unaffected. We would have to eat all the food we now export.

How Revelation 6:13 will be fulfilled:
SUPERSTORM TRIGGERED A MASS MIGRATION OF SATELLITES: Earth just experienced the biggest mass migration of satellites in history. On May 10, 2024, approximately 5000 spacecraft had to maneuver to maintain altitude, resisting a geomagnetic storm that was trying to pull them down. The event is described in a research paper just accepted by the Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets.

"Most were SpaceX Starlink satellites," says William Parker of MIT, the paper's lead author. "Each satellite has a GNSS receiver as well as autonomous station-keeping and collision-avoidance capabilities. When they sensed the effects of the storm, thousands of the satellites made the decision to manoeuvre."
The need to migrate upward was caused by a sudden increase in satellite drag. Earth's atmosphere absorbed a huge amount of energy from the solar storm, causing it to puff up like a marshmallow held over a campfire. Tendrils of heated air reached into space and started dragging the satellites down.

"The superstorm's peak power was 2.63 TeraWatts," says Martin Mlynczak, who retired from NASA's Langley Research Center a month after the storm. Before he left, he used infrared data from NASA's TIMED spacecraft to estimate the amount of thermal energy dumped into the upper atmosphere. "It deposited enough energy to run my house for 10 million years (I average about 510 kWh per month)," he says.

Earth's atmosphere has been heated this much before, most recently during the Halloween storms of 2003. In those days, however, the satellite population was relatively low (fewer than 1000) and there was no mass migration.

"The May 2024 geomagnetic storm was the first major storm to occur during a new paradigm in low Earth orbit satellite operations dominated by commercial small satellites," the authors wrote in their paper.

Thanks mainly to the advent of Starlink in 2019, Earth now has almost 10,000 active satellites--ten times the number in 2003. When a fraction of them unexpectedly decide to change course all at once, satellite operators must scramble to track them, making sure they don't collide. This creates a new and unprecedented risk for all satellites, even ones that don't move.

It's a problem that will only get worse in the years ahead. "Major storms are more likely throughout 2024-2025 during the peak of Solar Cycle 25," says Parker, "and the satellite population continues to grow."
Ref: spaceweather.com July 2024

False

The only kingdom which is destroyed (the middle east) is destroyed by the armed forces of the north.

I expect the United states armed forces to annihilate hundreds of millions of people.They won't need a fraction of the 5500 nuclear weapons in stock.


Daniel 11
44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many

 

[tailgator]

Depends how many 'multiples' we are talking about.

Recent studies of smoke in the 2019 Australian 'mega-fires' have shown that black carbon in smoke can be heated by sunlight and lifted even higher up. In a full scale nuclear war, the firestorms might lift all that soot up 15 to 20 km. The sun keeps it there - like a hot air balloon with enough fuel to keep the balloon aloft for years. It might float around up there for a decade!

While hundreds of millions might die in the nuclear war itself, shutting down all agriculture across the Northern Hemisphere might starve up to 5 BILLION.

They estimate only 1% of many northern nations would survive.
About 4 minutes.

Australia and Argentina come out of it pretty well - but NZ loses about a quarter of your population to starvation.

Study by Xia et al - 2022. Global food insecurity and famine from reduced crop, marine fishery and livestock production due to climate disruption from nuclear war soot injection - Nature Food

The United States does t get in a nuclear war with Russia.
The United states nukes about 11 countries in the middle east during the war of armegeddon.

This is when the abomination which causes desolation is used by the United States against its and Israels enemies in the middle east.

Daniel 11

40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.


Keras doesn't know what causes desolation or where it's caused.
Australia will be fine for another 1000 years or so.

 

[eclipsenow]

Jesus said there would be none for the wicked.
And you have seen not one

"Peace peace" right up until JUDGEMENT DAY! BOOM!
Sudden, inescapable, eternal.
Not whatever end-times-table you're struggling with all your might to insert there somehow.
Jesus himself returns! In judgement.

There's always war on the earth.
But there's also always periods of peace.
But the huge, world shaking events futurists are prone to? Nah. See - it's going to be a surprise. We'll know nothing - just as Jesus said.

All your timetables are a bit of a giveaway. Too many people would figure it out IF that's what Revelation was actually about. But because it's not - people stare at it - draw up their own crazy wall - and then try to promote that with all their might. But hey - if you've got this whole 7 year timetable thingy to insert somehow - you have my sympathy. It's just Jesus himself does not support that view.