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Just to be clear, I'm not rejecting anything. The entire chapter of Revelation 20 fits perfectly with all the other verses I've shown you, including 1 Corinthians 15. The key to making it all fit, is understanding the resurrections.
God is just saying that all will be resurrected. It doesn't mean they are resurrected at the same time. There can be a thousand years or so between the resurrection of the righteous and the resurrection of the rest. There's nothing in those verses precluding that.
Let's at least try to establish this one simple thing. Revelation 20 does not say that Jesus will reign on earth.I don't understand how you can take two verses and cling to your one view of them and summarily reject an entire chapter (Revelation 20) which says Jesus has a thousand year reign on this earth.
No, it's not all allegory, but if you'll humour me I can walk you through it and you'll see how I can make all the pieces fit together perfectly.I call it rejection and it seems like to you, it's all allegory.
Actually, if you'll look at these two verses again, you'll see that they refer to a single resurrection event.
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Notice it says "the hour". That's the hour that "all" that are in the graves will hear his voice.
Acts 24:15
having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
And in Acts 24:15 it says there will be "a" resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. Not two resurrections. A resurrection.
Besides, you said so yourself. If the righteous die during the thousand years they will be resurrected, so why are you now changing your mind?
Let's at least try to establish this one simple thing. Revelation 20 does not say that Jesus will reign on earth.
If I'm wrong, then please quote the scripture in your response and highlight the part where it says "on earth". If you can do that, then I'll concede that point. If you can't, then please stop making this claim. It only muddies the waters.
Na, that's okay, you and I are just not going to agree. We've already sent dozens of messages back and forth. I have other things to do.No, it's not all allegory, but if you'll humour me I can walk you through it and you'll see how I can make all the pieces fit together perfectly.
Wishing for Jesus to reign on earth with us is not going to make it happen. I also look forward to making my first million one day but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. Of course it would be awesome to see Jesus ruling the earth rather than Obama or Putin, but we have to go with God's plan, not our plan.Revelation 20:6-8
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
Please ask yourself why you are so intent on not believing in a literal thousand year reign of Jesus on the earth. It is going to be an awesome time. I myself am looking forward to it. I want to pet the animals that now run away from me or are dangerous to me (animals I am presently allergic to), to enjoy the visible presence and peace of Jesus, to swim in the healing waters (Ezekiel 47)--but not in that order.
But what if you're wrong. Wouldn't you like to know that? I know that if I'm wrong, I would definitely want to know that.Na, that's okay, you and I are just not going to agree. We've already sent dozens of messages back and forth. I have other things to do.
Wishing for Jesus to reign on earth with us is not going to make it happen. I also look forward to making my first million one day but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. Of course it would be awesome to see Jesus ruling the earth rather than Obama or Putin, but we have to go with God's plan, not our plan.
I am intent on not believing in a literal thousand year reign on earth because the Bible says it's not going to happen. I have to go with what the Bible says, not with what my parents and my friends say. All that stuff you look forward to however, will happen on the new earth when God will live among us, so we can both look forward to that.
Remember how Jesus chastised the Jews for not recognizing his kingship for what it is? They too were expecting a king to lead them into battle and sit on a throne in Jerusalem, but Jesus' kingship was and still is spiritual. He even said "My kingdom is not of this world". It doesn't get much clearer than that. So don't make the same mistake the Jews made by failing to recognize God's plan and the type of power Jesus rules with.
Now as for ruling on earth, as you can see from the verses you quoted above, it does not say that Jesus rules on earth during the thousand years. I see that you highlighted the word earth there but obviously that is explaining where the nations are. It does not describe where Jesus rules. Agreed?
If you want to know what a "prophetic" HOUR is.. All you have to do is divide 1,000 years by 24 hours (one day. The answer is 41.6, or forty one and a half years.
Any other questions ?!
I actually believe Revelation 20.
Haven't you read Revelation 19:21 and Zechariah 14:12-15? The wicked are killed by Jesus when He returns (Isaiah 26:21)... especially those gathered in His land (Isaiah 27:12). This is a form of judgment, even though it isn't the final judgment (the Great White Throne Judgment) which culminates in the wicked being thrown into the Lake of Fire.
No, of course you don't agree. The power of the mind never ceases to amaze me. You don't see the words, but yet you believe they exist. I don't think that's what Jesus was talking about when he said "blessed are those...".Of course I don't agree. And I believe I'll go through much suffering before I am raised to see those days. Jesus' kingdom is spiritual but it's physical, too. Let's just stop talking. There's no point. Please don't respond.
I also believe Revelation 20.
The problem is that if our interpretation of Revelation 11:15-18 conflicts with Revelation chapter 20, then our interpretation cannot be correct.
We cannot say that we believe one and not the other, nor can we ignore one and focus on the other...
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No, of course you don't agree. The power of the mind never ceases to amaze me. You don't see the words, but yet you believe they exist. I don't think that's what Jesus was talking about when he said "blessed are those...".
For the one traveling at 90% C or above, an hour will still beProducing equal time intervals for those within the same inertial frame of reference.
Producing significantly different elapsed times otherwise, if one is at a velocity over 90% C.
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For the one traveling at 90% C or above, an hour will still be
33093474372000 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom
(If that caesium 133 atom is also traveling with them at the same speed)
Death is part of the curse.
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I'm sorry but you're driving me to the edge.Condescension isn't fitting in the body of Christ.
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