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Hix

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Ok to try and balance the insane amount of passion threads I thought Id create a new one. So tell us all how in your spiritual journey you came to MJism. What verses in the Bible made you feel this was the right step? Did you come out of a particular denomination etc

Just for fun ;)

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~
 

ShirChadash

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Well if everyone else can answer this without writing a novella, I figure I must be able to, too! *thinks*... now.. how to do that?

Dh and I grew up strongly devout, sold-out Catholics. Catholic schools, lifelong service in the church (I sang in my mother's choir when I was but a wee lil 4 yo and DH was of course an active guy in his church), confirmation, protestant friends to whom we argued the RC position on everything under the sun, we were both very active during our college years, I lived for one college-year in our student center and was a peer-minister (part of the campus ministry team), lead music on Sundays, on and on and on. Dh went to Medjugorje with his mom a year or so before we married. Both from strong Catholic families. I spent years visitng convents, staying for short and extended visits, actively discerning a religious vocation in everything from the most austere cloistered order in the USA to active-in-the-community Fransiscan and other orders, all through my high-school and college years.

When we married, we moved far from our families and sought a Catholic community -- we were active in a few, actually, as musical talent is usually welcome/needed and I spent a lot of time practicing and at masses with the university group, training up leaders. (my point here is that we continued being very active).

FF... we had a few children and they were extremely inquisitive and asked questions that would make a theologian pale :scratch: ;) . We taught them, and taught them, and they absorbed and questioned more and learned... and we eventually enrolled our eldest (4 at the time) into two different preschools -- the Catholic one 3 days/wk and the LCMS one the other 2 days/wk. Though we -- and he -- loved the teachers in both schools, we -- and he -- found he learned so much more about Jesus, the Bible, prayer, how to live life daily as a lover of Jesus... at the Lutheran preschool. We decided that LCMS teaching was close enough to Catholic teaching that we could accept him going there, but we taught him the peculiarly Catholic doctrines ourselves. We continued, from that year on, to enroll our children in the LCMS preschool, and to this day, all of our children have spent at least one year in that preschool... our second-youngest is enrolled now.

Well... by the time our eldest went off to public Kindergarten, we had been convicted enough that the Catholic church flew in the face of Scripture with so many of her doctrines... so we were church-hunting. At the same time, our eldest was so grieved inside at how Jesus/God/anything Christian is kept out of the schools -- he wanted to come home for school. By the end of his first-grade year, we were ready... and homeschooling is really what opened the door to us growing and growing, and coming to the place where we embraced the call of our Messiah into His faith, Messianic Judaism.

We've had an intensive journey all of these years... got seriously creamed by some very unchristian "christians", embraced and struggled and made it through a few more gentilized churches... staying up to 4 years in each and then moving along as God grew us along and convicted us of both doctrinal truth and error, and His Will for us to dig deeper and leave off more and more of the paganistic gentile church practices. We became Sabbath-keepers finally about 4 years ago, I think... just beginning with baby-steps and walking only as far as our Mashiach draws... we added a couple of feasts the next year... and a couple more the next year... on and on, just chewing and learning slowly.

We are in an area with no Jews whatsoever that I know of... no synagogues, nothing, for about 150 miles. No Messianics for about 4 hours or so. So, for now, we continue to observe Shabbat and the feasts at home and learn more, together, and we fellowship with the larger body of believers in a very nice non-denominational "Bible" church on the first day. Our church supports Chosen People Ministries, our pastor and his wife are encouragin of us and even accepting of my headscarf when I am gutsy enough to cover for service (which is a sticky thing for me and shouldn't be, but I often fear putting people off in this large church, possibly putting up barriers where there need be none). DH and I are voracious readers, our 14, 12 and 10 yo sons provide us a lot of impetus to continue delving in as well, and we have awesome discussions :D so for now... this has wroked out all right for us... but I am so longing to have a community to really embrace, to help us in our efforts to rear Messianic sons and daughters who see faith and worship and live life from a Messianic Jewish understanding.

Waiting on Yeshua to move us somewhere where we can find such a thing... and for now, we just carry on :)

(I wonder why I can't seem to write without rambling even when I TRY!) :sigh:
 
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Hix said:
Ok to try and balance the insane amount of passion threads I thought Id create a new one. So tell us all how in your spiritual journey you came to MJism. What verses in the Bible made you feel this was the right step? Did you come out of a particular denomination etc

Just for fun ;)

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~
Well, my spiritual journey began in high school. I was taking Intro to Judaism classes at the local synagogue. I was told I'd have to wait to convert because I was a minor and my parents were not in agreement. Then, when I was 16 I graduated high school and went away to university, putting my religious studies on hold. There, I met someone and got pregnant. This person's brother was a pastor and he would tell me how I was going to hell for what I had done unless I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior. I resisted at first, but when my child was born, I became terrified of the thought that I would go to hell. I began going to church and said the prayer that would save me. I was heavily involved with the church for about 3 years, but the doctrine kept bugging me. I had already learned about Torah and halachah and now I was told that I couldn't follow what the Torah said because Jesus had abrogated the law. I was told that the law was a curse and if we attempted to follow it, we were under the curse of the law. I stopped going to church altogether, then went back to reading the Bible on my own. Once I got internet, I found out about Messianic Judaism and began reading up on that. I attended a Messianic congregation for about a year, but disagreed with so much again. While Torah was taught more than in the church, people were opposed to making a kosher kitchen, many would go out to lunch after services (while still wearing kippa and tallit), we were constantly warned that we shouldn't be 'legalistic' about following Torah and were told to stay away from studying Talmud. Eventually I left this congregation and returned to a Jewish congregation. Unfortunately I don't live in an Orthodox area, but most in this congregation lean heavily toward Orthodox practice. So, that is my journey and how I discovered messianic judaism.
 
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I blame both my Mom and Yafet ;)

When my parents lived in Colorado, a MJ from some organization that I cannot for the life of me remember the name of led a Passover Seder for a bible study my mom was in. One day, while out hiking, she told me about it, and about this guys claim that most Christians don't understand the Messiah's teachings because they don't understand Judaism.

Anyway, I started to do a little research, which led me to this forum. I posted a thread asking for book recommendations, where Yafet recommended the Messiah series by Avi ben Mordechai. Noticing that Avi's contact address was in Colorado Springs, I emailed him and asked if he could recommend a congregation, which is the one I currently attend. :)
 
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Seriously though, my friend and I used to joke about that. We would make a many 'messianic' converts in our journeys, and we knew that so much rejection was ahead for those who converted to MJ'ism. Jews will reject you. Christians will call you a heretic.

Oy, how many lives have we ruined? ;)

In all honesty, I doubt I'd have it any other way for myself though. Truth is truth, no matter who likes me or not, it doesn't change the fact that truth remains steadfast.

I'll get to my story a bit later. We'll see how many billions hours everyone has to read my story.
 
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haha, youd be interested to know eh? Well it was an eye opener all right, I was and probobly still am a counter-missionary, in which case we brought up reasons to refute how Yeshua could be the messiah. Our rebutals all concentrated on who christians believed Yeshua was and we argued what the messiah really is/will be. How surprised I was to find that if you take away the churchs interperation that Yeshua fits the classical Jewish role of Messiah!

Personally I originally came from a fundamentalist christian household and what I was taught about Yeshua I knew just did not fit the puzzle of the Jewish messiah and what was promised in the Tanach. I had always felt a connection with the Jewish people (my great grandfather was jewish) and wanted to live the Torah so I converted and became an anti-missionary to try and disprove Yeshua as messiah. But at the time all I knew about Yeshua was that he was supposed to be a god-man come down from heaven to anull the torah and die for sins. I didnt know that it was possible the Jewish expectation of the Jewish messiah could be fulfilled by Yeshua if the church's interperation is ignored and the Brit Hadasha is read with the Tanach in mind. THIS Yeshua was the piece that fit the puzzle. So to cut a long story short I accepted that Yeshua was the messiah, but not by christian definition, by Jewish definition. And I believe if everyone accepted this Yeshua there would be no more need for counter-missionaries, people would accept that Yeshua came for the sick and to promote the eternal Torah, and he wants nothing but all glory, prayer and honor to be given to HaShem.

Anyway Il bet that was a boring read ;) Oh btw that is a very interesting story Zemirah, thanks for sharing!
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~
 
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