All we know of Zeus or Thor is what someone wrote a long time ago. How is Yahweh different from Zeus or Thor? Couldn't one "know" Zeus or Thor by faith just as easily as Yahweh?
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How is Yahweh different than Zeus or Thor.
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First you probably have a misconception of faith. This article may clear that up. Fallacious Faith
Second, I think the Zeus story may actually be related to the Genesis story. Zeus and Hara were the first of the greek gods from which all the rest came. They are pictured in some greek art in the Garden of Hesperides, with a tree with apples guarded by a wise snake. Does that ring a bell? If the Genesis account is actual history we would expect to find legends in other cultures bearing some similarities. Just as we have flood legends that resemble Noah's flood all over the world, so we also have this story in greek mythology which seems to be a deification of Adam and Eve the the Garden of Eden with the serpent. In fact I'm of the opinion that mostly all greek mythology is rooted in actual men that walked the earth and were simply deified as the stories were orally passed down. Here's an interesting article: Athena and Eve. I found it quite fascinating. The article is based on the book, The Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble.
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Hi All,
Yahweh, or Jehovah (personally I prefer God the Father) is different because you can actually get to know Him now as they did long ago. If you seek Him, He will reveal Himself to you. You can't get to know Thor or Zeus on a personal level like that.
God Bless You All,
Isaia
Yahweh, or Jehovah (personally I prefer God the Father) is different because you can actually get to know Him now as they did long ago. If you seek Him, He will reveal Himself to you. You can't get to know Thor or Zeus on a personal level like that.
God Bless You All,
Isaia
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It's certainly true that one could claim and even think one knew Zeus or Thor, but that wouldn't be the same as actually knowing him as they don't exist. I'll grant you that telling the difference is pretty hard for the outside observer.
It should be possible to tell the difference by the change that knowing Christ works in those that do. If the accounts of the early church are accurate then it was clear in them. If it's not clear in (at least some of) the Christians you know then that is our failing.
I wish I could remember the quote accurately, but it goes something like : "the transforming power of God is available to all, is made manifest in Christ, and is demonstrated every day in the life of your local church .... or is it?"
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No, the only one that is real was Jesus. There is proof of Jesus being real why those are no more the False gods.
There is no other way to be saved apart from the Lord Jesus Christ. For there is not other name given to me, were by we must be saved.
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus the way the truth the Life.
Not a myth like the others.
Peace to all in Jesus
Rev Malone
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First of all, Zues and Thor are myths. The stories involving them are polytheistic. Second, those stories are quite contrary to real life and the testing by experience, literary analysis, and empirical data.
The god known as Yahweh, in the recording text that tells of him, shows the events surrounding this god are events that did take place in history. Meaning simply that whether there is supernatural involvement or not, the writings that bear witness to true historical events also credit some of those events to the intervention of Yahweh and other events to man.
In the end, Zues and Thor are definite myths and Yahweh has stood the test so far.
The god known as Yahweh, in the recording text that tells of him, shows the events surrounding this god are events that did take place in history. Meaning simply that whether there is supernatural involvement or not, the writings that bear witness to true historical events also credit some of those events to the intervention of Yahweh and other events to man.
In the end, Zues and Thor are definite myths and Yahweh has stood the test so far.
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depending on whose history one prefers, the god, and gods you know will either be Odin, his sons Thor, and Loki (one good end one evil), or Zeus and Hercules. The cult of lesser gods grew up around these figures, again according to who you were geographically, dictated to whom you did obisence (?). These gods were never real, regardless of which system is followed.
God is, and always has been, the One True God! While the systems of gods of Rome and Greece guided their subjects, it was so that the subjects would cower in fear of their name and displeasure. But what does the Psalmist say of God's guidance, "...He guides me in pathe of righteousness for His name's sake..." and "...He rescued me, He brought me forth into a broad place, He delivered my soul, because He delights in me..." And who could forget the words of the Apostle Paul to the Church in Rome "...for while we were still enemies, Christ died for us. Much more then having been reconciled by his death, much more shall we be saved by His life.
There was never any chance that the subjects of either Zeus or Odin, just by believing in the son of their god, could one day share in the glory of their god.
Then consider the finds of several archeologists. Scrolls were found which mirror the Old Testament version of Isaiah. When was the last time anyone unearthed ancient scrolls testifying to the veracity of either Odin or Zeus.
God made a one time sacrifice of His Only Begotten Son, to redeem forever His people of faith, to share in His nature. Regardless of how often one sacrificed, or how much faith in Odin and Zeus one held, participating in their glory was never one of the options.
Paul tells the Romans that since the foundations of the world, god's eernal power and divine golry have been clearly see, being understood through the things which were made, "...so that they are without excuse..."
Now of course these are things which have been written for our edification , yet they're still written down, so I give you the invitation of Phillip to Nathan, "...Come and see..."
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Alot of early religions made some extrodinary claims. Norse mythology, from which the Thor you speak of (though Odin would technically be the supreme god) also claims that there's a rainbow bridge that leads to the land of the gods and sea serpant that swallows its own tail. They also believed that this world was contained in the branches of the Yggdrasil, the world tree. Greek mythology states that the gods lived on a mountain, which would be easy to see from air, for one, and for second, that they lived lives like men. They seem to be made from what man most desires - sex, love, war... if your god is the god of war, you are deticated to war and "holy" in engaging in it. Therefor you worship yourself. Pick a God by your own values so that you may be justified in worshiping him according to your own preference.
Our God's word does not make ridiculous claims about how our world works. His word does, though, seemingly goes against our human nature (one of the reasons I think some don't believe). By nature, humans are egotistical and selfish. I have a young nephew about three years old in age that is extremely selfish and quick to lie for his own gain. Does that anger me? No. I know that children, for the most part, must learn to go against their own selfish desires. One of the most holiest things we can do as christians are admit our faults and beg humbly for forgiveness. Don't think that this comes from man, for he is by his nature quite the oppisite in his thinking.
Alot of other religions out there, though they have many of the virtues God has set into our hearts, goes plainly against what we need and how we operate. Some will mutilate, some will worship themselves to their own ruin. Some will kill in the name of their god, while others will worship stone and wood. We learn from the teachings of the scriptures that the early Israelites held traditions such as cleaning their threshing floors, washing their hands before eating, going to the bathroom away from camp, isolation of the sick and many more of the like. Only in the modern day can we see the good implications of such practices. The scriptures forbid that which, like sin, will bring us death or ruin, and encourage that which would bring glory to God and peace to our beings.
Personally, as a christian, I can see things alot more clearly now. My mind and life was muddled with various concerns, wants, and plans before I became a disciple of the Way. As a buddhist, my goal was to eliminate desire from my life through discipline and wisdom. As a christian, my desire is eliminated in Yeshua, for he gives me everything I need. I think they call it the peace of God. When you seek Adonai and his will faithfully, He enables you to see His hand on everything. Atheists may think we're just being foolish for holding so steadfastly to our beliefs in lack of evidence, but it's hard to let go when you can feel His prescence in everything. It's frustrating talking to the unbeliever because they miss what seems so obvious and plain to us.
God bless you and may you find the truth you crave.
Our God's word does not make ridiculous claims about how our world works. His word does, though, seemingly goes against our human nature (one of the reasons I think some don't believe). By nature, humans are egotistical and selfish. I have a young nephew about three years old in age that is extremely selfish and quick to lie for his own gain. Does that anger me? No. I know that children, for the most part, must learn to go against their own selfish desires. One of the most holiest things we can do as christians are admit our faults and beg humbly for forgiveness. Don't think that this comes from man, for he is by his nature quite the oppisite in his thinking.
Alot of other religions out there, though they have many of the virtues God has set into our hearts, goes plainly against what we need and how we operate. Some will mutilate, some will worship themselves to their own ruin. Some will kill in the name of their god, while others will worship stone and wood. We learn from the teachings of the scriptures that the early Israelites held traditions such as cleaning their threshing floors, washing their hands before eating, going to the bathroom away from camp, isolation of the sick and many more of the like. Only in the modern day can we see the good implications of such practices. The scriptures forbid that which, like sin, will bring us death or ruin, and encourage that which would bring glory to God and peace to our beings.
Personally, as a christian, I can see things alot more clearly now. My mind and life was muddled with various concerns, wants, and plans before I became a disciple of the Way. As a buddhist, my goal was to eliminate desire from my life through discipline and wisdom. As a christian, my desire is eliminated in Yeshua, for he gives me everything I need. I think they call it the peace of God. When you seek Adonai and his will faithfully, He enables you to see His hand on everything. Atheists may think we're just being foolish for holding so steadfastly to our beliefs in lack of evidence, but it's hard to let go when you can feel His prescence in everything. It's frustrating talking to the unbeliever because they miss what seems so obvious and plain to us.
God bless you and may you find the truth you crave.
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The religion of Zeus was also called mythology.. MYTH.. loll
I believe in Jesus's words, because of all of the proof of his existince and the Bible and its accuracies.
The Bible says the Earth was round about 2700 years ago.. but people didn't know this until about 500 years ago.. so the Bible knew about this 2200 years before people knew it.
There are records of a man byu the name of Jesus being Crucified.
They have found books and such in the Red sea that are very old.
The Bible was written in many years. A ton. Over years, Moses, Abraham, and just tons of ppl showed up. When people believed in Zeus, a few ppl made a book and told ppl and they fell for it. With the Bible tho, there may have been one book, and then hundreds of years later another, and yeah..
the difference is the Bible seems to be accurate. The Bible predicts things, and they have been fufilled. [i.e. the jews going back to israel.] There have been reports of people who have been to Chrisian museums and have seen Jesus or some spiritual figure rise. There have been times when at night all of a sudden light has appeared.. and no scientific things predicted it. there have been ppl who have had toast, and on it was the virgin mary. and it can just go on and on.
I believe in Jesus's words, because of all of the proof of his existince and the Bible and its accuracies.
The Bible says the Earth was round about 2700 years ago.. but people didn't know this until about 500 years ago.. so the Bible knew about this 2200 years before people knew it.
There are records of a man byu the name of Jesus being Crucified.
They have found books and such in the Red sea that are very old.
The Bible was written in many years. A ton. Over years, Moses, Abraham, and just tons of ppl showed up. When people believed in Zeus, a few ppl made a book and told ppl and they fell for it. With the Bible tho, there may have been one book, and then hundreds of years later another, and yeah..
the difference is the Bible seems to be accurate. The Bible predicts things, and they have been fufilled. [i.e. the jews going back to israel.] There have been reports of people who have been to Chrisian museums and have seen Jesus or some spiritual figure rise. There have been times when at night all of a sudden light has appeared.. and no scientific things predicted it. there have been ppl who have had toast, and on it was the virgin mary. and it can just go on and on.
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Instead of starting a new thread I thought I ask a similar question here.
How is Jesus different than other figures listed on the Lord Raglan's Scale?
Some of these figures include,
Oedipus scores 21
Theseus scores 20
Moses scores 20
Dionysus scores 19
Jesus scores 19
Romulus scores 18
Perseus scores 18
Hercules scores 17
Llew Llaw Gyffes scores 17
Bellerophon scores 16
Jason scores 15
Mwindo scores 14
Robin Hood scores 13
Pelops scores 13
Apollo scores 11
Sigurd scores 11.
MB.
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I don't understand what that scale proves...? I can see what it's trying to show, but that doesn't mean the Jesus is no more different than Dionysus. I can look at various legends about hero kings, point out simularities and list them, as well, and 'lo and behold, how simular they are! It doesn't quite change the circumstances or what's truth and not. I could also make my own scale of their differences so that each would score a point. I guess my point is that they're grouped together by what is most common, so it isn't really a case of the legends being made of the same mold, but a mold being created over the legends. Is it uncanny? Sure.
Meh, unfortunately, we're not arguing the validity of a mere man, so to compare it to more secular hero kings and historical figures would be a lacking arguement.
Meh, unfortunately, we're not arguing the validity of a mere man, so to compare it to more secular hero kings and historical figures would be a lacking arguement.
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Jesus rules.My impression of the mythological gods, is that they had their own interests in mind. They might pay attention to a human if the human was deserving.
God goes to great lengths to connect with each one of us, even though it might not seem like that on the surface. The crucifixion story is about Him giving up something precious in order to cover us.
But He continues to work. Most devoted Christians recognize a still, small voice within them, similar to the conscience but knowledgeable about future events.
Even though you could argue that God was willing to let large groups of people die, His ultimate will is that none of us would have to suffer. 2Pe 3:9 The choices we make put us at risk.
He is consistent in what He asks of us.
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
kjf mentioned that the documentation of God's interaction is immense. You can also find archaeological confirmation in museums. The surrounding communities, such as the Hittites and Babylonians, have artifacts showing similar data.
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/hitit.htm
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/default.html
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/scrolls/toc.html
Some sites where people are convicted of God's daily interaction in their lives:
http://www.morningstarministries.org/feature/sw/index.htm
http://visablemiracles.com/pages/377478/index.htm
http://www.kimclement.com/
um... I'll stop with those and let others add more. (No disputes about ministries, please.)
God goes to great lengths to connect with each one of us, even though it might not seem like that on the surface. The crucifixion story is about Him giving up something precious in order to cover us.
But He continues to work. Most devoted Christians recognize a still, small voice within them, similar to the conscience but knowledgeable about future events.
Even though you could argue that God was willing to let large groups of people die, His ultimate will is that none of us would have to suffer. 2Pe 3:9 The choices we make put us at risk.
He is consistent in what He asks of us.
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
kjf mentioned that the documentation of God's interaction is immense. You can also find archaeological confirmation in museums. The surrounding communities, such as the Hittites and Babylonians, have artifacts showing similar data.
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/hitit.htm
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/default.html
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/scrolls/toc.html
Some sites where people are convicted of God's daily interaction in their lives:
http://www.morningstarministries.org/feature/sw/index.htm
http://visablemiracles.com/pages/377478/index.htm
http://www.kimclement.com/
um... I'll stop with those and let others add more. (No disputes about ministries, please.)
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