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God’s standard.Good by what standard?
Why what?Why?
God’s standard.
The standard that God wants us to live by.Pardon my french, but what the heck is 'God's standard'? That phraseology is meaningless to me, and therefore useless.
There’s none greater. His world, His rules.Why use God’s standard?
I doubt that.Says who? Him? I’ve got an expired jar of mustard that says the same about itself.
Assuming that to be true, to be good for all of life does not make you a moral authority. I could make the same claim for myself as being the moral authority for all of mankind; anybody can make such a claim.It’s good for all of life.
I will.It’s the Truth. Ignore it at your moral peril.
I never claimed to be a moral authority.Assuming that to be true, to be good for all of life does not make you a moral authority. I could make the same claim for myself as being the moral authority for all of mankind; anybody can make such a claim.
Then you are amoral, by your own standard. If anyone rejects your arbitrary and indemonstrable standard of morality, you declare their standard invalid. I do the same to you.I will.
Okay.Then you are amoral, by your own standard. If anyone rejects your arbitrary and indemonstrable standard of morality, you declare their standard invalid. I do the same to you.
I never said you did; I said you claim your God to be the moral authority.I never claimed to be a moral authority.
It is strange that you have no problem with me denying that evil exists if I lost my faith, however, denying that evil exists is synonymous with denying that immorality exists, yet you don't want to say the same for immorality. It is one thing for you to assert that it obvious that immorality has always existed or that a particular act like stealing is immoral, but it is quite another for you to demonstrate that is the case without being able to appeal to theism. You have no source for having moral obligations and there is nothing else that happens regardless of whether someone meets or doesn't meet it. You can assert that morality doesn't require theism, doesn't require religion, and doesn't require a believe in God, but your claims remain unsubstantiated without anything to support them.If you are using evil as a theistic concept then I have no problem with you denying it exists if you lose your faith. I don't think it exists in that sense. But if you simply mean doing something immoral, then obviously it always exists. And labelling something as immoral means that you have already decided that it shouldn't be done. People don't stop doing things because they are immoral. They decide what should not be done - based on the facts of the matter, their own intelligence, social expectations, conscience, empathy etc and then call it immoral.
Morality doesn't require theism. It doesn't require religion. It doesn't require a belief in God. It doesn't require one to be Christian. You don't own the concept. You don't steal your neighbours lawnmower because you know it's wrong. Same as me. Same as most everyone else. In fact, anyone who would steal it also knows it's wrong. But if you want to say that you also don't do it because it would offend God, then go for it.
The standard that God wants us to live by.
It is strange that you have no problem with me denying that evil exists if I lost my faith, however, denying that evil exists is synonymous with denying that immorality exists, yet you don't want to say the same for immorality. It is one thing for you to assert that it obvious that immorality has always existed or that a particular act like stealing is immoral, but it is quite another for you to demonstrate that is the case without being able to appeal to theism. You have no source for having moral obligations and there is nothing else that happens regardless of whether someone meets or doesn't meet it. You can assert that morality doesn't require theism, doesn't require religion, and doesn't require a believe in God, but your claims remain unsubstantiated without anything to support them.
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