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Have added a poll for an easy over-view, but am interested in reasons, too, if that's ok?
Hullo there! I think it's terribly important. The unfortunate truth is our prime minister will always kowtow to whoever's President... they single-handedly instigated a huge illegal war, and we proceeded to tag along like numpties, and while China are sneaking up on them in terms of being the primary super-power, America still has the edge. So, it matters lotsly, I think.I am curious. That probably has a lot to do with the whole Obama factor. Will he win? No. He can talk the talk (if your into that kind of politics) but his policies and experience are not attracting enough support from the undecided. McCain has a track record, is a war hero and white. I know, I'm pulling the ugly race card from out of the pack, but there's no way around it.
Obama (or Osama as one politician called him ) has achieved a great thing, but I personally feel that America is still to polarised when it comes to race. They are not ready for a black president. It will not happen and that's an unfortunate state of affairs, but alas I think it's the truth.
What do you think?
[GreenMunchkin]Surely his policies are more important? I just can't see race being a factor in 2008. Surely we've gotten beyond bigotry like that?
My fear is that if McCain and Palin get elected, she'll try to push her anti-science agenda. If she can influence the appointment of a Supreme Court judge (a massive power of the executive which is often underrated) who agrees with her creationist nonsense,
If I were you, or an atheist in general I'd be more worried about her probable anti-abortion stance.
On the mark answer... The myth of race aka scientific racism etc. underpins nearly all inequity/inequality... It insidious roots are evident when there has never been a black president in the WHITE house ahaha aptly named house.It would be nice to think that in 2008 race would not be a deciding factor, but we are talking about a country that has a terrible track record when it comes to issues pertaining to race. He's a black man running for the most powerful position on the planet. A lot of Americans will be choking on their pretzels just imaging this guy taking up the white house. It's one thing to have him contending, but another to have him winning.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud America for the fact that this scenario has already been played out. Perhaps Obama will be the beginning of a real change (boy does he like to talk about change) in the political landscape and many more "ethnic" candidates for the presidential office will come through.
Sorry to sound overly cynical, but we will never get over bigotry because these kinds of repugnant views will always exist, especially in North America. In a perfect world it wouldn't and shouldn't be an issue. However as you know, we live in a fallen and inperfect world, hence that is why racism is still alive and kicking..
But those repugnant views are now fringe beliefs... where 60 years ago they were the norm, to have those opinions now is to be marginalised massively, and am just not sure there are enough racist loons to make much difference.It would be nice to think that in 2008 race would not be a deciding factor, but we are talking about a country that has a terrible track record when it comes to issues pertaining to race. He's a black man running for the most powerful position on the planet. A lot of Americans will be choking on their pretzels just imaging this guy taking up the white house. It's one thing to have him contending, but another to have him winning.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud America for the fact that this scenario has already been played out. Perhaps Obama will be the beginning of a real change (boy does he like to talk about change) in the political landscape and many more "ethnic" candidates for the presidential office will come through.
Sorry to sound overly cynical, but we will never get over bigotry because these kinds of repugnant views will always exist, especially in North America. In a perfect world it wouldn't and shouldn't be an issue. However as you know, we live in a fallen and inperfect world, hence that is why racism is still alive and kicking..
They achieved that with Florida last time round... and if we're talking dizzyin new lows, we needn't look beyond ZimbabweI'm interested in it. It's a bizarre process and should stand as a benchmark of how not to run an electoral process.
You see the rebublicans and democrats as very similar? How so?It all seems to me to be character assassination and very little discussion of policy. Likely because the only two parties with a shot are both very similar. Parties of the corporations, not the people.
I really hope our country does not turn out like that.
Even a day before Palin, I would have agreed with you, but she flipped a switch.I think Obama will win. I think McCain is too republican for some, and not enough for others.
Even a day before Palin, I would have agreed with you, but she flipped a switch.
I get the feeling that people *like* Obama, but when it comes down to ticking that box, voting for him would just be too big of a risk, and they'll go with the more steady option. Which is Palin, if not McCain.
[GreenMunchkin]But those repugnant views are now fringe beliefs... where 60 years ago they were the norm, to have those opinions now is to be marginalised massively, and am just not sure there are enough racist loons to make much difference.
I think it's also possible to see racism where there is none. If he isn't elected (and I really, *really* pray he won't be) it'll be easy to say it's because of his skin, as opposed to his empty promises and policies.
Mind you, I suppose we'll know racism has been stamped out entirely when race isn't even mentioned in passing.
I liken it to having a white female bringing home her black boyfriend. There will be countless people suggesting that they wouldn't have a problem with it, until it happens to them. It's that kind of racism that I believe still exists. Not the "I hate N*****" type.
[Judy02]what makes you think racism will always exist 'especially in North America'?
As someone who also believes in creationist nonsense, more power to her.