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DoubtingThomas29 said:
How do you know that if we were created by a God that there would be evidence of such? There is an absence of evidence, but it does not mean that there is no God. It just means there is no evidence of one.DoubtingThomas29 said:
For me and where I experience my Beloved God I'd have to say that God IS the universe and all life on Earth. Saying that God "made" it all and than stepped back is not the right angle of the experience of God for me. But that's how I "experience" God. It IS NOT how I define God.
Evolution is unrelated to the cosmology and abiogenesis. It only deals with self-replicating systems and the frequency of traits thereof.
A fly, is a fly, is a fly. You never see a fly be anything but a fly. Okay, the occasional horsefly. If we evolved from apes, why are apes still here?Speaking of the Old Testament, remember the story about Noah's Ark? Well we can prove that that story is a fairy tale, just by looking st the fact there are trillions of species of insects on the planet and to hve two of every kind of insect on a boat is simply impossible.
Therefore Noah's Ark is a made up story.
QED
This does in fact mean, we cannot read the fantastic stories of the bible and just believe them seriously, because there is at least one story that is completely false.
Also the story about the Sun stopping in te sky, that could not happen either without jolting the Earth and killing everybody. The story about that lady that looked back at a city to see it go down in flames, the bible says she turned into a pillar of salt, but tha is impossible because matter cannot be created or destroyed and also of E=mC^2, her atoms had to go somewhere, they just couldn't turn into NaCl, Sodium Chloride.
Then in the New Testament there is more stories that are hard to believe, look at the evidence. Look at the fact that Christianity was an oppressed cult for hundreds of years before Emperor Constatine decided to convert the Empire to christianity.
There is tons of evidence that the christia story is another made up religion by men. The bible is written by men, not God.
If God does not exist, then there is in fact a absence of evidence, which is what we have, our world only makes sense we assume God is imaginary, when you look at the Hindu Religion, the Muslim religion and the Christian religion you are looking at a collection of stories that about four billion people adhere to, and they are all right about the other person's religion. Religion is man made, there is no God, and we are merly sophisticated animals wandering the planet, some wondering who made the Earth, and still others wondering what made the Earth.
It wasn't a who that made you and me, it was a what that made us, that what is the natural process called evolution.
Think about it.
If Americans came from Europeans, why do Europeans still exist?
Where did your God come from?
Your analogy is flawed: evolution does not imply that everything just 'happened' to pop into place 'just so'. There is nothing accidental about it.
"Objection!"
Agreed, but the analogy is pertinant: the plaintiff made an appeal to distinctions between species which, under the evolutionary worldview, are as relevant as the European/American distinction.
Your honour, I fail to see the distinction.
Objection, unreasonably high standards of proof. The plaintiff's defense is also holding a double standard.
Overruled.
Consider this; if God is the creator of all things; time, space, energy, matter, and science as we know it, how then can you ask how God was created? Hmm...If Americans came from Europeans, why do Europeans still exist?
Nothing about evolution implies that the old species should disappear.
And for the record, we are apes. We are also monkeys.
Where did your God come from?
Whatever answer you give to that, can be applied to the 'Where did energy come from?' question.
Your analogy is flawed: evolution does not imply that everything just 'happened' to pop into place 'just so'. There is nothing accidental about it.
Hello again, Crujir
Preciesly my point: if he created all things, where did he come from himself?
Who are you to define what applies to the universe? We don't even understand a small fraction of it, much less all of it. God has always been is a fallacy, because in religious theory God does not exist in time, his was, and is, and forever will be. As he is present at all moments in time simultaneously.
I simply asked, 'Why not?'. The buden of proof is on those who say there must be a First Cause.
So why can't energy/matter exist in such a state? Who are you to define what applies to the universe?
Actually, we can't: to ask 'What happened before...?' implies that there was a 'before'. It makes no sense to ask what happened before time began, just as it makes no sense to ask what's North of the North pole.
NavyGuy7 said:
Why not? If you concede that we are related to mammals, why not apes?
Why do you expect them to?
A point: clothing is a necessity for humans who move beyond our evolutionary niche of Africa. It's somewhat colder elsewhere, hence the need for clothing.
Why? Evolution is not progressive in the sense that all organisms are evolving to one goal (to which humans are the closest, presumably). Gorillas are just as evolved as us, but their brains never evolved like our brains did; there is no selective pressure to.
It explains all modern biodiversity on Earth. The entire field of biology does not make sense without it.
To which I cite:
Why? It is incredibly rare for an organism to fossilise; the conditions required are rather precise. Not to mention the fact that bones turn to dust in the hundreds of thousands of years involved.
As a scientist, I should hope that I am scientific (and whatnot). But you are making textbook mistake after textbook mistake:
Both theories have tremendous amounts of evidence to support them. To justify such a claim, you're going to have to start by presenting some evidence for the existance of God (I wouldn't mind a definition of 'God' either; this is science, after all).
Funny, you could say the exact same thing about religion.These two theories of Evolution and Big Bang do not hold up under the heat. Though stubbornness has been known to be very, uh, stubborn. Just another part of our humanity, I suppose, part of our "adaptation" abilities.
