How I got screwed over by The Law of Attraction

[Sabertooth]

So if Isaiah is correct then that means that God is not at all alarmed or enraged by what I'm thinking or feeling. If Isaiah is right then our thoughts that we put out into the Universe should not at all hold much significance to God.

God knows that

• you are predisposed to sin, and to being deceived in Spiritual matters,
• He has a plan to deal with it, and
• that if you meet Him without proper preparation, you will die eternally.

According to the Law of Attraction its the opposite point of view, thoughts are everything so choose what you think wisely or suffer everlasting consequences.

Choosing to abide by the "Law of Attraction" over the Laws that I cited earlier is idolatry. If you continue to insist on its supremacy, there is no one who can save you from your self-imposed sentence/self-fulfilling prophecy.

I begin to believe the self-help people because every time I think something blasphemous about another I receive omens and bad signs. It easy to be superstitious when strange things start to occur in ones life.

How long will you waver between two opinions?

1. If LoA is God, serve it.
2. If Jesus is God, serve Him!

 

[James Ciambor]

Not only that but God gave us ability to make people and new souls that's awesome aswell .

That's why Jesus said if you hate somebody in your heart you alredy murder him in your heart .
Our toughts / feelings and WORDS most important , can cause good or bad stuff to happen .

You can make vow to God and it will happen , same as curse .

I wonder if people hate me or something and if I have been cursed by somebody myself sometimes .

Sorry Chinchilla but that is what I feared. Why would God give us the power to mold Universes and people. Its as if he grants us his own powers to use. Or at least that is what Law of Attraction people say. Also Chinchilla I'm actually worried about my misuse of this Universal Law because I my thoughts were so vile and blasphemous that now I'm pretty certain I'm separated from God. I think what I put out into the Universe has brought hurt to this world and the spiritual world. But it still is agonizing that God would give us his power to mold anything we want, since we as humans are not prepared or qualified to carry those responsibilities so why the heck would God grant it to us? I'm sorry Chinchilla but what your arguing about worries me cause it implies that we have this God like power that if through misuse can be dangerous. That God gives back to you what you put in even if they are just petty thoughts or blasphemies is the very worry that I needed reassurance wasn't true. The law is NOT a comforting thing, often I wish God operated a little differently instead of giving us powers that can be abused depending on what we put out into the Universe.

 

[James Ciambor]

God knows that

• you are predisposed to sin, and to being deceived in Spiritual matters,
• He has a plan to deal with it, and
• that if you meet Him without proper preparation, you will die eternally.

Choosing to abide by the "Law of Attraction" over the Laws that I cited earlier is idolatry. If you continue to insist on its supremacy, there is no one who can save you from your self-imposed sentence.

How long will you waver between two opinions?

1. If LoA is God, serve it.
2. If Jesus is God, serve Him!

When I worship God I do NOT try to associate it with LOA. I'm just worried that God uses LOA primarily because I notice the severe consequences that come from the thoughts I put out into the Universe. If Isaiah's words are correct then I doubt there is a reason to worry cause Isaiah seems to imply that thoughts are below God and inconsequential to him. On the other hand anyone who promotes LOA seems to indicate the opposite that thoughts are the cornerstone to everything in existence. I wish it didnt work that way but I wont find out the true answer until I die.

 

[Chinchilla]

Sorry Chinchilla but that is what I feared. Why would God give us the power to mold Universes and people. Its as if he grants us his own powers to use. Or at least that is what Law of Attraction people say. Also Chinchilla I'm actually worried about my misuse of this Universal Law because I my thoughts were so vile and blasphemous that now I'm pretty certain I'm separated from God. I think what I put out into the Universe has brought hurt to this world and the spiritual world. But it still is agonizing that God would give us his power to mold anything we want, since we as humans are not prepared or qualified to carry those responsibilities so why the heck would God grant it to us? I'm sorry Chinchilla but what your arguing about worries me cause it implies that we have this God like power that if through misuse can be dangerous. That God gives back to you what you put in even if they are just petty thoughts or blasphemies is the very worry that I needed reassurance wasn't true. The law is NOT a comforting thing, often I wish God operated a little differently instead of giving us powers that can be abused depending on what we put out into the Universe.

God made man to have dominion over stuff .
You can't be separated from God he is living inside of you ( if you ever were born again ) .

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm just worried that God uses LOA primarily because I notice the severe consequences that come from the thoughts I put out into the Universe.

He does not.

If Isaiah's words are correct then I doubt there is a reason to worry cause Isaiah seems to imply that thoughts are below God and inconsequential to him.

It means that God is not bound by your opinion of LoA.

On the other hand anyone who promotes LOA seems to indicate the opposite that thoughts are the cornerstone to everything in existence.

They are not from God. They only seek to keep you in the bondage that you are experiencing because of it.

I wish it didnt work that way but I wont find out the true answer until I die.

It DOESN'T work that way, and you don't have to wait until then to find out.

If you can't/won't entertain that, what do you expect to gain from a dialog with Evangelical Christians...!?

 

[James Ciambor]

He does not.

It means that God is not bound by your opinion of LoA.

They are not from God. They only seek to keep you in the bondage that you are experiencing because of it.

It DOESN'T work that way, and you don't have to wait until then to find out.

If you can't/won't entertain that, what do you expect to gain from a dialog with Evangelical Christians...!?

Well by now you know I'm gullible so I have a lot of repentance to do and have the find peace from within without worrying so much about fate. Thanks for your patience Sabertooth I'm a bit OCDish so its hard to find peace during times when one doesn't seem to have the answers.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm a bit OCDish so its hard to find peace during times when one doesn't seem to have the answers.

I am autistic. If you know Jesus, you know the Answer! Let Him lead you.

 

[James Ciambor]

God made man to have dominion over stuff .
You can't be separated from God he is living inside of you ( if you ever were born again ) .

If you can give life to souls Chinchill then I guess by that definition you can create fictional Universes. Like those in Harry Potter or The Simpsons. I wonder if that's possible.

Anyway let me get to the other point I found some solace that God never departs regardless of ones action. If we are all one then I doubt God would want to hold my mistakes against me even if they are cynical vindictive thoughts. The biggest problem Chinchilla is I thought I abused the Law of Attraction so badly through my thoughts then I caused damage to others, myself and I can no longer manifest positive things.

 

[Sabertooth]

@James Ciambor , you DO know that your OCD does not excuse idolatry, don't you?

“You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:3 NKJV

Only repentance can help with that (if you are already saved).

If you came here to make disciples of LoA, you really came to the wrong place.

Those that pitched it to you didn't do you any favors. And you aren't doing anyone any favors by trying to further it. It is a false teaching and will remain so no matter how many times you repeat it or reference it (OCD or not).

 

[James Ciambor]

@James Ciambor , you DO know that your OCD does not excuse idolatry, don't you?

“You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:3 NKJV

Only repentance can help with that (if you are already saved).

If you came here to make disciples of LoA, you really came to the wrong place.

No I didnt come to make any followers of it. LOA has made me stressed out because I thought I misused or abused it and I'm not sure if it has consequences over my life. But LOA is not any religion its just thoughts mold everything you see around you.

 

[Sabertooth]

But LOA is not any religion its just thoughts mold everything you see around you.

It is a philosophy that has displaced your seeking Jesus on His terms. It doesn't have to be another religion to be an idol.

Just as money/materialism can be an idol, an anti-Christian philosophy can be an idol, too. Anyone or anything that you trust in more than Jesus is, by definition, an idol.

 

[James Ciambor]

It is a philosophy that has displaced your seeking Jesus on His terms. It doesn't have to be another religion to be an idol.

Just as money/materialism can be an idol, an anti-Christian philosophy can be an idol, too. Anyone or anything that you trust in more than Jesus is, by definition, an idol.

I've been told by my parents that if I trust Jesus then what I'm worried about wont mean a thing. Jesus exists above our thoughts.

 

[Sabertooth]

I've been told by my parents that if I trust Jesus that what I'm worried about wont mean a thing. Jesus exists above our thoughts.

1. You have never clarified whether have received Jesus as your Savior or not. That is of first importance.
2. You came here saying that you feel really bad about yourself in light of LoA, asking what you can do about it.

When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA... (ad nauseum)

If you have gotten saved, you ARE saved. Jesus DOES exist above your thoughts.

If you can't/won't reject LoA, you will always feel bad (because of it) until the day that you die. Nobody riding along on your OCD carousel can fix that for you.

(One of my sons takes a medicine to help him with his OCD.)

 

[James Ciambor]

1. You have never clarified whether have received Jesus as your Savior or not. That is of first importance.
2. You came here saying that you feel really bad about yourself in light of LoA, asking what you can do about it.

When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA.
When told that you need to reject LoA, you ignored that and said that you feel bad because of LoA... (ad nauseum)

If you have gotten saved, you ARE saved. Jesus DOES exist above your thoughts.

If you can't/won't reject LoA, you will always feel bad (because of it) until the day that you die. Nobody riding along on your OCD carousel can fix that for you.

(One of my sons takes a medicine to help him with his OCD.)

I've been told by therapists you have to acknowledge the problem before something can be done about it. So I talked about the elephant in the room now I have to take action by helping myself as opposed to giving attention to theories that stress me out more. Since Jesus can exist above my thoughts then I should focus on him and see where that takes me. Maybe I will be rehabilitated soon.

 

[Radagast]

The Law of Attraction is a theory that like attracts like. Depending on what thought or emotion you project out into the universe you get the same thing back from the Universe.

This is not Christian belief.

 

[James Ciambor]

This is not Christian belief.

Thank God.

 

[Sabertooth]

@James Ciambor , here are two verses that would be good for you to memorize [read from your own Bible].

• Philippians 4:8
• 2 Corinthians 10:4-5

 

[Any]

I actually believe that God operates by this law I wish he didn't but I'm 100% convinced he does. So because I went against the Law of Attraction through the type of thoughts I was having and putting out I ultimately think I'm predestined for hell. I often feel separated from God and hearing the (NDE Near Death Experience) accounts of what hell is like I have a really disturbing afterlife that I'm destined to experience. So life is very unenjoyable and empty knowing where I'm predestined to. So Any I doubt I am saved, in fact if you had a conversation with anyone in the afterworld they'd probably tell you that I screwed myself over. I often think that God's view on all of this is you got out of this universe what you put into it. So no matter how much consoling I get from users on here I'm still deadset convinced on my fate, destiny and have to accept it whether I want to or not.

What you believe is a lie from the enemy. You are saved through faith (in Jesus) then God shows you his grace then you get saved.

I used to practice witchcraft and have meddled with things and done things I wish I never done. I thought I wasn't meant to be saved. I thought God wanted nothing to do with me.

After I repented for those things and asked God for the truth, and had faith in Jesus, his Holy Spirit came into my spirit and saved me.

John 3:15-17
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

God so loved THE WORLD!

(The words of Jesus) John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life

Do you believe that is Jesus speaking? Did you hear the word?

 

[Sabertooth]

This is not Christian belief.

You have such a way with words...!

 

[Dirk1540]

Well maybe the whole thoughts create reality theory promoted by mystics and self-help people is used to as a way for some of them to have a career of profiting off of others. Law of Attraction is regularly promoted by high-profile celebrities, and self-help gurus but I have been dealing with the negative side of this theory. I looked at a website of Near Death Experiences it seems that there is a term called Universalism which is a really old belief system from the first 500 years of Christianity. In the belief it says that all people will eventually be saved and that hell is strictly for purifying a broken mind and heart. I noticed that George Ritchie said something similar. I know the stricter Christians want to say you have no choice when you die, but I hope that God always has room for redemption regardless of the circumstance any child of God may find themselves in. But to be honest with you I am consumed by uncertainty, its how I live survive and cope. I believe in God but I'm very insecure about how saved I am at this point. Also people always tell me I have to be confident in Gods healing nature, but I'm confident in something else. I'm confident that I sinned so hard that not even the concept of Universalism can help me.

Are you sure this is not all simply confusing the power of positive thinking with a fictitious universal force called the Law of Attraction? Positive thinkers also LOOK CONFIDENT which is very attractive to other people. Positive thinkers are better motivational go getters also, so their chances of success in general will be greater.

Negative thinkers are glass half empty people, so the positive thinkers will notice everything good that falls into their laps, whereas the negative thinkers will not.

Also, you said rich & famous people tend to promote this, which are people who have tons of excesses falling onto their laps. Has the guy who went to Hollywood with big dreams, and who had positive expectations to succeed but failed miserably, and now works at Walmart (still happy & positive perhaps) written a book on LOA? How many people are positive thinkers from poverty stricken areas who have written books on this?

This is selective reporting. There are TONS of positive thinkers who are constantly finding coal in their stockings. And let’s totally raise the bar, disease & death are much worse than material success. You can’t possibly believe that positive thinkers don’t get sick & die early do you? Now positive thinkers will heal better because your immune system is stronger if you’re a positive thinker...but again this is confusing the power of positive thinking with some Jedi force.