How Hillary Clinton Lost the Election

[Speedwell]

Thanks for your reply. Yes, you are right that Hillary does not have rapport with the less populated parts of the country, or rapport with working class people, or even with union workers. Odd, because traditionally that's where the Democrats got much of their support, from unions and union members.

The Democratic Party has not had anything to say to the working class for decades. Democrats think of people in vertical categories: whites, blacks, hispanics, women, etc. But the fact is that working people in all of these categories have more in common with each other as working people than they do with elite members of their own categories. Romney blew us off with his "47%" speech and the working class vote went to Obama by default. Trump spoke to us--he may have lied, but he spoke to us. Hillary did not.

 

[Dale]

Sorry, some malfunction is missing up the post.

 

[Dale]

We doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know why Hillary did not win. It is obvious why she did not win. The majority Americans are Christians and Christians do not believe in late term abortions, except for the ones that claims to be Christians but they are not. It is because they believes in destroying a life..

In U.S., 77% Identify as Christian

more4less,

I'm not sure your post deserves an answer when you include a link that says that Hillary Clinton is worshiping Lucifer. Think before you throw these accusations around.


Most Christians don't identify as religious conservatives. In any case, religious conservatives usually throw their votes away. Let me tell you one way I reached that conclusion. Several years ago, I ran into religious conservatives who were saying that people who don't vote Republican are going to hell. Our congressman was a Republican, so I looked up his voting record. He was voting for the pro-choice position 7/8 of the time, or against the pro-life position 7/8 of the time. That's 88% of the time.


I did a letter to the editor pointing out our congressman's voting record on this subject. One person thanked me profusely for this information. Outside of that, I'm not sure it had any impact. We don't know what would have happened at the next election. Our Republican congressman was forced to resign from congress after being caught in a sex scandal, so he wasn't up for re-election.



When a candidate says he's a conservative, religious conservatives think he said that he is a religious conservative. That doesn't follow. Actually, about a quarter of the Republicans running for office these days are anti-religious.

 

[more4less]

more4less,

I'm not sure your post deserves an answer when you include a link that says that Hillary Clinton is worshiping Lucifer. Think before you throw these accusations around.


Most Christians don't identify as religious conservatives. In any case, religious conservatives usually throw their votes away. Let me tell you one way I reached that conclusion. Several years ago, I ran into religious conservatives who were saying that people who don't vote Republican are going to hell. Our congressman was a Republican, so I looked up his voting record. He was voting for the pro-choice position 7/8 of the time, or against the pro-life position 7/8 of the time. That's 88% of the time.


I did a letter to the editor pointing out our congressman's voting record on this subject. One person thanked me profusely for this information. Outside of that, I'm not sure it had any impact. We don't know what would have happened at the next election. Our Republican congressman was forced to resign from congress after being caught in a sex scandal, so he wasn't up for re-election.



When a candidate says he's a conservative, religious conservatives think he said that he is a religious conservative. That doesn't follow. Actually, about a quarter of the Republicans running for office these days are anti-religious.

 

[more4less]

 

[tulc]

(snip)

...do those vids have anything to with why Sec Clinton lost the election?
tulc(thought that was the what the thread was about)

 

[more4less]

...do those vids have anything to with why Sec Clinton lost the election?
tulc(thought that was the what the thread was about)

Yes it does. If 77% of the citizens of this country claims that they are Christians, and so these videos shows why she had lost the election. But if we include non-citizens that had voted, especially if the non-citizens were Muslims, then there should be an investigation of why she has lost the election. But here in this country, we do not include the non-citizens votes at all. And so Hillary was counting on all of the illegal immigrant's votes to help her to win. But this is a Christian's nation and which Christianity dominates in this election over paganism. Now if Hillary would of have chosen a small country that do not know anything about Christianity that she would of have been king over that country. But she has chosen to take over a country that has a strong belief in God. But next time, she should start off with a small country to deceive.

 

[tulc]

Yes it does. If 77% of the citizens of this country claims that they are Christians, and so these videos shows why she had lost the election. But if we include non-citizens that had voted, especially if the non-citizens were Muslims, then there should be an investigation of why she has lost the election. But here in this country, we do not include the non-citizens votes at all. And so Hillary was counting on all of the illegal immigrant's votes to help her to win. But this is a Christian's nation and which Christianity dominates in this election over paganism. Now if Hillary would of have chosen a small country that do not know anything about Christianity that she would of have been king over that country. But she has chosen to take over a country that has a strong belief in God. But next time, she should start off with a small country to deceive.

So that would be a "Not really."
tulc(thought that might be the case)

 

[Dale]

Yes it does. If 77% of the citizens of this country claims that they are Christians, and so these videos shows why she had lost the election. But if we include non-citizens that had voted, especially if the non-citizens were Muslims, then there should be an investigation of why she has lost the election. But here in this country, we do not include the non-citizens votes at all. And so Hillary was counting on all of the illegal immigrant's votes to help her to win. But this is a Christian's nation and which Christianity dominates in this election over paganism. Now if Hillary would of have chosen a small country that do not know anything about Christianity that she would of have been king over that country. But she has chosen to take over a country that has a strong belief in God. But next time, she should start off with a small country to deceive.

Video links are not a reply.
You didn't bother to read my post where I replied to your absurd claims.

Is there any tabloid rumor that you don't believe?

Where I live, the Supervisor of Elections, who is a Republican, denies that fraudulent voting is a problem.

 

[tulc]

She lost because she was nothing more than "Obama ver. 2.0" and only the freeloaders wanted more of that.

...again, she lost because we have an antiquated system of picking a President, not because more Americans wanted President Trump. If that was true then he wouldn't have lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes. As an aside? It was the "freeloader" States that voted for President Trump not the tax paying worker States. seen these:
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
now compare it to the States that rely the most on Federal aid:
Top 10 States That Rely Most on Federal Aid
of the 10 most "freeloading" (your word, not mine) 8 of those went to President Trump.
tulc(wonders if this means the red States will start supporting themselves for a change?)

 

[tulc]

Well, it was mostly the "freeloaders" who voted for Hillary. Knowing that if she won they would receive even more free benifits for just sitting around on their lazy rear ends.

Wouldn't the fact that the States with the most welfare/government benefits (or freeloaders as you call them) went almost exclusively to President Trump and the States that pay more in taxes went to Sec Clinton doesn't even phase that myth Republicans hold on to?

Proven fact -- socialism in the long run fails.
M-Bob

You guys better hope not, because it's all those "lazy socialists" that support all those "hard working American Republicans" that makes up the bulk of the Republican Party base.
tulc(finds all these Republican myths to be adorable!)

 

[shakewell]

Yes, I know that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. I'm all for doing away with the Electoral College. Yet that still leaves us with a serious question: Why did Hillary Clinton do so badly, even against a boorish opponent with no political experience? Why didn't enough people vote for Clinton to make the vote imbalances in a couple of states irrelevant?

Here is my theory. Look at the top people on the ticket. Shortly before the election, Hillary said that she would make Joe Biden Secretary of State in her Administration. Biden is certainly well known, having been a presidential candidate and Vice President for eight years.


Ticket: Candidates by occupation.


Hillary Clinton-President is a Lawyer.

Tim Kaine-Vice-President is a Lawyer.

Joe Biden-Secretary of State is a Lawyer.


In addition, Hillary's husband Bill is also a lawyer. Could it be that the American people don't want to be ruled by a triumvirate of lawyers? Mike Pence, Trump's VP, is also a lawyer but at least only one member of the ticket is a lawyer.

Another possible reason is foreign policy. Many people believe that Barack Obama's foreign policy is simply unacceptable. Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State under Obama for years. She seems to be in agreement with his foreign policy. She said nothing about changing it during the campaign. To top it all off, shortly before election day, she pledges to appoint Joe Biden, Obama's VP, as Secretary of State. It looks like more of the same in the foreign policy arena. No new ideas, no awareness of past failures, no sign of change.


What is Obama's foreign policy? Obama basically put America's allies on the back burner. Building up our allies and reassuring them of our commitment was a low priority. At the same time, Obama believed in making overtures to America's enemies and everyone else who wasn't a close ally. It certainly looks like Obama took American allies for granted and concentrated on trying to either persuade or deal with America's enemies. Whatever you think of this approach in theory, it looks like a disaster in practice.

Hillary didn't win the election because there aren't enough resources on this planet to manufacture the needed barf bags.

 

[more4less]

Video links are not a reply.
You didn't bother to read my post where I replied to your absurd claims.

Is there any tabloid rumor that you don't believe?

Where I live, the Supervisor of Elections, who is a Republican, denies that fraudulent voting is a problem.

And so, what country that you reside in, Huhmmm?

 

[HawgWyld]

...In addition, Hillary's husband Bill is also a lawyer. Could it be that the American people don't want to be ruled by a triumvirate of lawyers? ...

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Hillary Clinton lost because people detest her. Plain and simple. Look at how badly she got clobbered in Arkansas and she lived her for a couple of decades. Truly, the more people know about her, the more they dislike and distrust her. She is quite awful. Had Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders or a mop with a bucket for a head run against Trump, that candidate would have won.

Full disclosure -- I, too, am a lawyer...

 

[tulc]

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Hillary Clinton lost because people detest her. Plain and simple. Look at how badly she got clobbered in Arkansas and she lived her for a couple of decades. Truly, the more people know about her, the more they dislike and distrust her. She is quite awful. Had Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders or a mop with a bucket for a head run against Trump, that candidate would have won.

Full disclosure -- I, too, am a lawyer...

...it's like no one even remembers how badly President Trump lost the popular vote, if "people detest her" so much, almost 3.000.000 detested him even more.
tulc(seriously, she lost because she didn't get enough Electoral votes no other reason)

 

[HawgWyld]

...it's like no one even remembers how badly President Trump lost the popular vote, if "people detest her" so much, almost 3.000.000 detested him even more.
tulc(seriously, she lost because she didn't get enough Electoral votes no other reason)

No, we remember that he lost the popular vote. It just doesn't matter -- the candidates campaigned to win the electoral college and Trump was successful in that.

Bringing up the popular vote at this point is about as valid as pointing out that the runner-up in a PGA tour event netted more eagles than the eventual winner. That's a nice bit of trivia, but it is completely irrelevant.

 

[HawgWyld]

staff edit

The Democrats also seem to have trouble grasping the fact that Jim Webb would have won in a landslide had he won the nomination. I'm still not sure what the fascination with Hillary Clinton was/is. It's like the DNC was more interested in spiting Republicans than winning the White House last year.

 

[tulc]

No, we remember that he lost the popular vote. It just doesn't matter -- the candidates campaigned to win the electoral college and Trump was successful in that.

Bringing up the popular vote at this point is about as valid as pointing out that the runner-up in a PGA tour event netted more eagles than the eventual winner. That's a nice bit of trivia, but it is completely irrelevant.

That would be true if the people didn't keep insisting the reason Sec Clinton lost was because people liked President Trump more then her. If that were true then why did she get almost 3,000,000 more votes then he did? You can't have it both ways.
tulc(is just asking for people to be a little more accurate is all)

 

[Willie T]

That would be true if the people didn't keep insisting the reason Sec Clinton lost was because people liked President Trump more then her. If that were true then why did she get almost 3,000,000 more votes then he did? You can't have it both ways.
tulc(is just asking for people to be a little more accurate is all)

Across the whole country, the people seem to have favored him. In concentrated areas of urban blight and congested Liberalism, undoubtedly she had many more supporters packed into those areas.

 

[tulc]

Across the whole country, the people seem to have favored him. In concentrated areas of urban blight and congested Liberalism, undoubtedly she had many more supporters packed into those areas.

You mean just because she had almost 3,000,000 more Americans vote for her that doesn't mean more Americans liked her then President Trump? Where he was most popular was in those States that take more in federal aid then those that pay more then they receive. You can try and spin it how you like but in the end, he'll always be the guy that got elected because the people who wanted free stuff put him in office.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)