HOW FAR IS TOO FAR

[iambigdog]

i want to know what peoples are in reference to how far is too far(violating gods commands) with respect to a physical relationship between a man and a woman. please give your opinion, (and if possible back it up with scripture), no scripture is fine too though. thanks .

 

[72_Chev_Truck]

If you are wondering whats too far, ITS ALLREADY TOO FAR!

Check out your bible on the subject. we are asked to Flee from sexual immoralty. ANYTHING that causes us to think, act, see something sexual that stirs our desires. thats too far.

 

[myjesusboxorsroxors]

ok chev... i think thats ****. for a few reasons. One, that means i cant go buy groceries, i see a hot lady at the till and im thinkin, **** shes fine, check out that rack. Does that mean God wants me to fast... or never buy food again? Odds are he wants me to keep my 'temple' healthy.

Also, if its "ANYTHING that causes us to...", why the hell do i have these hormones that are ridiculous? All i do is think about girls... and as the saying goes, one thing leads to another.

Also, why does he make women so f'n gorgeous?

 

[SSDP]

Well son, i think its too far once you've felt regret and guilt. Now, the only way to really know how far is too far, is process of elimination... how can you know how youre gonna feel before youve done it right? And im sure that is why youre here, welcome son! We'll be glad to give you our advice to help you and save you from trouble!

 

[jenptcfan]

I'll copy and paste a post that I wrote about the subject awhile back:

Unfortunately, there's no magic answer. Here are my opinions:

God wants more from us than just being able to "technically" say we didn't actually have intercourse. Staying pure is really hard. Especially in a relationship where two people care very much for eachother. Going farther and farther only makes it easier to slip up and have sex. If you're really serious about wanting to commit to not having sex until you're married, I would say stop at whatever action makes either of you sexually aroused. If you know that everytime you engage in heavy kissing, you're body's giving you all the "go for it!" signals, make an agreement that you're not going to do that anymore. It's really difficult, but there is no greater expression of love in dating than helping the other person keep his commitment to staying pure.

God created sex as something that's very desirable...isn't God great? He didn't have to create it that way...he could have made it boring. The deal is, all the things associated with foreplay are intended to set the act in motion. We're not designed to have to stop mid-game. It leaves us frustrated and just wanting more.

As Josh Harris says in his book called Boy Meets Girl, "The longer your 'no big deal' list is before marriage, the shorter your 'very special' list will be after marriage"

 

[TheHumanHighLightReel]

Ok, here is the issue in my mind. Sex is an act meant to be shared with someone you love, right? Well, we all love more than one person in our lifetime, and I've never seen in the bible something that tells me sex before marriage is a sin. Sure, it says sexual immorality, but that could mean orgies, beastiality, homosexuality... etc. To be completely honest, I dont find it wrong for a person to have sex with 3 or 4 people in a lifetime.

 

[72_Chev_Truck]

Ok, here is the issue in my mind. Sex is an act meant to be shared with someone you love, right? Well, we all love more than one person in our lifetime, and I've never seen in the bible something that tells me sex before marriage is a sin. Sure, it says sexual immorality, but that could mean orgies, beastiality, homosexuality... etc. To be completely honest, I dont find it wrong for a person to have sex with 3 or 4 people in a lifetime.

Sexual Immorality IS EVERYTHING SEXUAL. Its the thoughts, its the desires, its the act, its looking at a woman (or man) with lustful thoughts. It doesnt matter if its a look or a kiss or a touch, If you feel arroused by it, it is sexual immorality. Therefore sex before marriage IS A SIN. Also any thoughts other then your spouse that are sexual in nature is ALSO A SIN.

 

[iambigdog]

Sexual Immorality IS EVERYTHING SEXUAL. Its the thoughts, its the desires, its the act, its looking at a woman (or man) with lustful thoughts. It doesnt matter if its a look or a kiss or a touch, If you feel arroused by it, it is sexual immorality. Therefore sex before marriage IS A SIN. Also any thoughts other then your spouse that are sexual in nature is ALSO A SIN.

how do you know what sexual immorality is reffering too, thats just your opinion on the bible is it not? i dont htink its as clear as your pretending it is

 

[TheHumanHighLightReel]

Sexual Immorality IS EVERYTHING SEXUAL. Its the thoughts, its the desires, its the act, its looking at a woman (or man) with lustful thoughts. It doesnt matter if its a look or a kiss or a touch, If you feel arroused by it, it is sexual immorality. Therefore sex before marriage IS A SIN. Also any thoughts other then your spouse that are sexual in nature is ALSO A SIN.

does it say sexual immorality before marriage is a sin? or sexual immorality is a sin. cause that means even sleeping with your wife (if it turns you on) is a sin.

 

[iambigdog]

yeah highlight reel has a good point i mean if lust is wrong, then every sexual act is wrong, because lust literally means extreme desire. so any extreme desire for sex would be wrong, so i dont hitnk you can use this arguement

 

[wvmtnkid]

Bottom line is, we can give you all kinds of scripture about sex before marriage and sexual immortality, but you don't want to hear what we have to say unless we say that premarital sex is okay. So far, that hasn't happened so now you want to get nit picky about what sexual immorality is.

Sex within marriage is not wrong or sinful. God designed marriage way back in Gensis with Adam and Eve. Remember "the two become one"? Adam and Eve didn't shack up in the Garden, God blessed their union. Sexual desire is a normal and natural desire that God has given us. However, that desire is to be fulfilled within the marriage convenant. Sexual immporality is what humans have done to the gift of sex that God gave us. Sexual immorality isn't just premarital sex, but it includes premarital sex. It also includes prostitution, incest, sodomy, etc... YOU can define immorality however you want to, to get around that sex before marriage is not what God intended. But I feel that is what He did.

 

[iambigdog]

name one verse that says sex before marriage is wrong, just one

 

[iambigdog]

where in the bible does it say sodomy is wrong

 

[wvmtnkid]

Where does the bible say sodomy is the right thing to do?

 

[iambigdog]

Where does the bible say sodomy is the right thing to do?

you cant base your beliefs on the rules of exclusion ie because its not in there its not right, for example the bible doesnt say eating yogurt is okay, but we think it is. just because the bible doesnt contain a verse saying eating yogurt is cool doesnt mean its wrong. sodomy same deal, if your wifes feeling it and your feeling it, why not?

 

[72_Chev_Truck]

So really, where in the bible do you believe that you are a christian? your actions sure do not reflect it from the posts you have written.

 

[hookers&blow]

I think its awesome that somebody has the guts to question what they believe. I find it all too common that we have blind faith, which is good of course, but we really dont understand what we believe.

 

[Ebb]

Here is I Corinthians 6:9-10 in 3 different translations. There is no "political correctness" here, but it tells it like it is:

King James Version

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

New International Version

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible

9 Or (2) do you not know that the unrighteous will not (3) inherit the kingdom of God? (4) Do not be deceived; (5) neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [1] effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will (6) inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Living4Him03]

Here is I Corinthians 6:9-10 in 3 different translations. There is no "political correctness" here, but it tells it like it is:

King James Version

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

New International Version

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible

9 Or (2) do you not know that the unrighteous will not (3) inherit the kingdom of God? (4) Do not be deceived; (5) neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [1] effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will (6) inherit the kingdom of God.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't fornication mean sex outside of a married relationship? If that's the case, then there are your verses to prove that the bible does say sex outside of marriage is sin.

 

[Living4Him03]

Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other