How far does Noahide go....

[FaithfulWife]

there are a couple options for you:

1) Ask a Noachide.
2) The only website that I recommend is www.asknoah.org.

Noachidism is NOT a world wide political, religious force attempting to take over the world in mental and spiritual enforcement. The Seven Laws of Noach are boundaries for conduct in how you conduct yourself with G-d, your fellow human beings, and the world around you. I, as a Noachide, don't take these any further than outside of my personal circle of influence.

Most of the time, the angst that Noahides show is a retributional element from feeling that they had been deceived at some point in the past. This is why those fringe sites are rubbish.

Therefore, IF anything else is asked; then seek me out first. I'll answer.

Oh muffler this is excellent! In fact, I asked kivi once if we could start a thread that's "reliable sources" -- something where we could say "If you have a question this is a website you could go to that has good info". What do you think? Shall we start with your link maybe? Or your link and kivi's links too?


~Faithful

 

[Tishri1]

Unfortunately my understanding is that is indeed the case. A Baptist could not further clarify his position on the Catholic forum. At some point this becomes debate/teaching and goes beyond the spectrum of a fellowship post.

And no, the situation you describe would not be baiting on the Catholic forum, where Baptists generally don't spend a lot of time. It certainly would be in the Baptist forum however. This forum (MJ) is unique in that Rabbinic Jews and Messianic Jews and gentiles all spend time here, but in fact only Messianic posters are members.

I can ask Trishri1 to verify this information.

Red is right, in order to clarify points made in opposition to your beliefs, in this CO area, you either have to do so in a friendly way(I know its hard when you are offended but please try to remain calm and friendly, you will get more folks to listen to you that way) or you can start a thread in another forum and link us to it here.

there are a couple options for you:

1) Ask a Noachide.
2) The only website that I recommend is www.asknoah.org.

Noachidism is NOT a world wide political, religious force attempting to take over the world in mental and spiritual enforcement. The Seven Laws of Noach are boundaries for conduct in how you conduct yourself with G-d, your fellow human beings, and the world around you. I, as a Noachide, don't take these any further than outside of my personal circle of influence.

Most of the time, the angst that Noahides show is a retributional element from feeling that they had been deceived at some point in the past. This is why those fringe sites are rubbish.

Therefore, IF anything else is asked; then seek me out first. I'll answer.

This is a good example of a friendly post that clarifies(I havent read all the posts before and after) He states that the OP could be wrong and where to go to get correct info...Now should the OP (a member) have a different opinion after he posts and continues to post her opinion as long as she doesnt flame this person who sought to clarify then she is in her right to do so, it doesnt become a problem till she starts to flame the people in this thread personally......Now if the one Clarifying doesnt get a good response from his post he needs to take it outside the forum then..to continue to debate the issue is against CF rules and violates the safe haven rule.....It is unfortunate that he has to walk way not having influenced them to come to him or seek answers from a reputable link but thats the way it is in the Congregational forums....MJ has its own beliefs that others will bash as well and they have the same rules of conduct when entering another CO forum, a friendly post seeking to clarify is fine but continual debate of the issue over steps the bounds set by the owner. BTW when you do make a clarifying post to something said in a CO forum about your beliefs dont come in blaming, or complaining that is not considered friendly instead do what this Man did here, post in a positive way what you think they should do to get the correct view of that belief....If your sooo upset you cant help being unfriendly dont post till you have calmed down because

1. The members wont listen if you are hostile or complaining
2. it will get deleted and no one will see it(not part of your goal I'm sure)

What I can tell you is my experience and my understanding of the rules. In the situation you describe above I believe the MJs would be in violation if they debated in the SA forum, but that's without knowing all the details, actual content of the threads in question, the SA forum's FSGs, etc, etc.

This is exactly true

 

[FaithfulWife]

...This is a good example of a friendly post that clarifies(I havent read all the posts before and after) He states that the OP could be wrong and where to go to get correct info...Now should the OP (a member) have a different opinion after he posts and continues to post her opinion as long as she doesnt flame this person who sought to clarify then she is in her right to do so, it doesnt become a problem till she starts to flame the people in this thread personally......Now if the one Clarifying doesnt get a good response from his post he needs to take it outside the forum then..to continue to debate the issue is against CF rules and violates the safe haven rule.....It is unfortunate that he has to walk way not having influenced them to come to him or seek answers from a reputable link but thats the way it is in the Congregational forums....MJ has its own beliefs that others will bash as well and they have the same rules of conduct when entering another CO forum, a friendly post seeking to clarify is fine but continual debate of the issue over steps the bounds set by the owner.

Thank you Tishri for clarifying this! I hope it's helpful to some folks to get a picture of ways to respond in a congregational forum. Here's why I say it that way. I think that in a very general way most people believe that the things they believe are "true" or "right" and they would like to share that with others or help others to see as they do! I can understand why too! But as I understand it, we have specific places here on CF where it is appropriate to debate (and thus to try to convince people using your logical argument) and we have OTHER places like the congregational forums for like-minded people to get to know each other and to discuss maybe some of the issues involved with worshipping in their way. So for example, it would be to do a rabbinic vs. MJ debate in the appropriate debate area--not cool to do something similar in either one of the two congregational forums.

And by the way, I agree with you that muffler's post was a wonderful example. It was clear, respectful, and pointed to accurate information without attacking the person.


~Faithful

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Anyone care to respond to my post #154? Thanks and shalom

 

[visionary]

don't honestly think that most MJ's think Noachide is trying to take over the world, but then why have presidents since Jimmy Carter signed a bill about Noachide Law?

Good question..

 

[Torah613]

It is my understanding that if a person were to be a member of the Catholic forum and as a Catholic, write a thread that said that Baptists believe in dipping their babies headfirst in milk for baptism, and attach an unreliable link--then a Baptist person would have the right to say that the information was false and in a fellowship kind of way say "just fyi I can tell you what we DO believe" but they can't teach their Baptist doctrine! The Baptist person does NOT have the right to come onto the Catholic thread and try to make a fight and tell the Catholic that their theology is wrong--nor to call names or blame! Even if the Baptist person is convinced that their theology is right and the Catholic theology is wrong--on the Catholic thread they can not bait a fight in the effort to "defend themself."

Wow. Ok, let me explain this again. You will notice we haven't preached our beliefs, simply rolled with laughter when we're told we're gunna be beheading people for believing in J*sus. We have not bashed J*sus in this thread, we dont' want to see the fight continue. We do have a right when personal accusations are made against a particular user to respond.

We don't care if you hold our beliefs or not, we simply want to be respected as individuals.

You will notice that we don't make such accusations against members here. We respect y'all as human beings. Sure we disagree with your belief system, yet we still respect you as individuals. We ask the same courtesy in return and are flatly denied.

However, when a Jew speaks out against belief in j*sus (I mean in the real world) or acts against the missionaries y'all get all up in arms and make all kind of false accusations about members of the Jewish community (witniss this thread). We speak up, we don't tell you our beliefs, we don't explain our beliefs, we merely defend ourselves against "those who bear false witness."

Yochanan

Yochanan

 

[Torah613]

Good question..

To honor Rabbi Menachem Mendel Shneerson. Just like they signed legislation for days honoring Billy Graham. Dubya yearly signs a declaration that a particular day in January is "J*sus Chr*st day."

Yochanan

 

[FaithfulWife]

Greetings. I do have a question concerning the type of foods Noahides are allowed to eat according to the OT/OC of the Bible.

From what I can discern from Paul in Romans, that all food is good to eat EXCEPT for those who deem it unclean, for them it is unclean and we are not to judge others by what they eat but how they serve and obey YHWH. Paul may be referring back to Gene 9:33 after the Flood. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Genesis 9:33 Every of moving-thing which he life, to ye he is becoming for food as greens herbage I give to ye all.

Romans 14:14 I have known and am persuaded in Lord Jesus that nothing unclean thru himself, except to the one accounting any being-unclean/koinon <2839> to be, to that one being-unclean/koinon <2839>. [Genesis 9:33]

Romans 14:20 No account of food be throwing down! the work of the God. All indeed pure/kaqara <2513>; but evil to the man the one thru stumbling eating.

LittleLambofJesus~

I have to tell you I'm not a Noachide and don't know what they can and can not eat or what they do or do not eat. However, muffler_dragon is Noachide and he referred us to a source that he said was a good one. Maybe that site has the answer.

However I will say that it's my understanding that Noachide is a group that is not necessarily limited to Messianic Jews. I bring this up because I THINK (I don't know and would take muffler's word as an "expert") the group is made up of rabbinic Jews and righteous gentiles who have said they would obey and live by the Noachide Laws. Thus I would understand a leaning toward kosher food.

Anyway, let's look up muffler's source and see if it answers your question! It's www.asknoah.org.



~Faithful

 

[Torah613]

Hi LittleLamb~

Actually I don't think you and I have ever met. I'm just a member here like anyone else. I have a Calvinist faith icon thingy because my dear hubby is a Calvinist and it's sort of in honor of him. I myself personally am a Messianic Jew and hang out a lot here at MJ or MW (write here on the MJ forum and read a bit on MW--don't write there anymore). So when you say that MJ's would handle it that is exactly what I was attempting to do--have an MJ take care of our own forum.

By the way, I'm not trying to dictate either. I think as a general rule we are trying to have MJ be a spot on CF where a Messianic Jewish person can come and converse and even state their case or belief and not have to fight with other religions or denominations. This particular thread did stir up some quite a bit of controversey and it was more or less dying a natural death. My hope was that this particular thread was over and thus the "fighting" over it, but it has been brought back to life by people who are not MJ. That's why I said what I said--I would prefer to let it go and hopefully just discuss other things. For a long time I attempted to ask for peace and ask for others to stand together with me to stop the poking at each other, and since that did not occur I did decide to just let the authorities take care of it and stop getting my own nose in the middle. That's not my job, but it is a mod's job, so I just let them do it!

Anyway, it's nice to meet ya!


~Faithful

I think thats what MJ should be too. You notice we haven't pushed our beliefs here? Just because this is a safe haven doesn't give you permission to violate your own NT which speaks against those who bear false witness.

Frankly, this entire thread was a bait to the RJ community. It was placed here and left here to get Jews to defend themselves and then get sanctioned for it. Frankly I don't care if that happens.

For the record I would speak up if someone was making the same false accusation against a chr*stian. Lying is wrong, no matter who does it or whom it is done to.

Personally, I wouldn't take pot shots at another persons religion. I have enough human decency to respect them, even if I disagree with their beliefs.

So, if I may ask, as a fellowshipping measure, just what does Noachidism have to do with the MJ community and why is it being discussed here as opposed to MW where Noachides would have the ability to defend themselves without sanction?

Yochanan

 

[Torah613]

LLOJ:

You have asked an excellent question to which the Jews/Noachides are not allowed to answer. If you care to ask it in MW we would be happy to answer your question there.

Yochanan

 

[FaithfulWife]

Sorry Torah, I'm not going to take the bait and fight with you. I'm not the OP so I have no idea what the OP's intent was in starting this thread, but if it was to bait the RJ community we (that is to say the MJ community and any other folks who were reading/responding to this post) had all stopped replying to it and it was going down the page and was dying. Now a few people have come along with a couple of actual questions--genuine, real questions--and they were answered respectfully. Yet it seems to me that repeatedly the attempt has been made to re-start the fight over this thread, so I'm going to ask Vis if she would consider closing it.

Thanks for stopping by! Let's fellowship and stop fighting!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LLOJ:

You have asked an excellent question to which the Jews/Noachides are not allowed to answer. If you care to ask it in MW we would be happy to answer your question there.

Yochanan

Shalom Torah. Thanks. I will make a thread on it there. I am still kind of confused the way the Messianic board is set up .
Thanks for the info.

edit to add:here is a link to the thread I just made:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=48066946#post48066946

 

[visionary]

LittleLambofJesus~

I have to tell you I'm not a Noachide and don't know what they can and can not eat or what they do or do not eat. However, muffler_dragon is Noachide and he referred us to a source that he said was a good one. Maybe that site has the answer.

However I will say that it's my understanding that Noachide is a group that is not necessarily limited to Messianic Jews. I bring this up because I THINK (I don't know and would take muffler's word as an "expert") the group is made up of rabbinic Jews and righteous gentiles who have said they would obey and live by the Noachide Laws. Thus I would understand a leaning toward kosher food.

Anyway, let's look up muffler's source and see if it answers your question! It's www.asknoah.org.



~Faithful

Try opening up and reading it. It does not open up any of the discourses.

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

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