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This is the board where accepting Ellen White as a prophet is not the expected norm.
in Christ,
Bob
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Does everyone here feel that Ellen White is a prophet? Does anyone struggle with that? Does belief in Ellen White's prophethood make or break one's Seventh Day Adventist faith?
Greetings to All:
There were two people who made some interesting statement I would like to comment on what they provided based on the Bible.
The is nothing but an evangelical deception of a more recent origin and plays into the hand of Satan to enthrone him after he comes personating Christ. Before that, Satan will set up his throne upon "the sides of the north" near the location of the old temple. in the attempt to deceive the whole world.
First I would like to ask where you came up with this comment because it is not in the Bible. Are you saying that Satan is the beast? If you are than I'm sorry that is not correct at all.
The "temple of God" according to Paul, who wrote 2Thes 2, is very clearly us who believe in Christ, as pre-defined 4 times in a row in his other writings infact, Paul says that God does not dwell in buildings of brick.
When Paul was talking about the body being the Temple it was base on each of individually allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell in our minds.
Look up "temple of God" in the NT and see what you guys come up with yourselves.
In Thessalonians Paul was not speaking of the mind because Satan cannot dwell in our minds only Elohim. Satan read's your impression because he cannot read the mind. The Bible says on YAHWEH looks on the inside and not you inner thoughts, not Satan.
first off, it makes perfect sense to many.So, the false Christ (Satan in disguise) comes and pretends to be Jesus Christ. Paul taught that he shall actually sit in us as God...since we are the temple of God. iow, if a Christian believes that Satan is the returned Christ, then Satan will have effectively "sat" in that temple of God (us).he is coming to seduce the potential bride of Christ...he's already got the rest.
I am truly sorry but this makes no sense at all. You must understand Satan has a seat, power and authority. The KJ scribes interpreted instead of translating Rev 12:9 (read EW 221, 222). Here is where she uplifts the Bible because we want to have private interpretation and there is none. Many will not take the time to first read what I'm about to say, pray about it, read again along with the Scriptures I will give you.
First, EGW present the evidence that Satan was not kick down to this earth the earth was not created.
I don't know if she stopped and went to creation before finishing about Satan or was that changed by the church? I just don't know because it makes no sense how it was done. However, if you study with eyesalve given to you by the Holy Spirit you will see it.
Why do we think we are the center of everything? We are not Gen 2:1, 2 shows that we are the last to be created! Now EGW also provide information (but keep in mind it in the Bible already, you have to study), about Lucifer and he was kicked out of Heaven with angels. If we would place the story about Lucifer want to ask to be reinstated back to his original with Michael/Yashua, we would learn something very interesting.
I read that article, that the link was posted to, about the skeleton in the SDA closet... very compelling evidence for the keeping of the feasts, although I would want to do more research before i accepted it as truth.
Please tell me what does these words mean to you:
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy convocations, even these are My Feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of YAHWEH in all your dwellings. These are the Feasts of YAHWEH, even Holy Convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:2-4
Blessings,
stinsonmarri
As with the rest of statutes listed in Leviticus, the Feasts of the Lord are all times of Holy Convocations.
The whole sanctuary with its furnishings, tell the story of salvation. The whole process of the sanctuary services, tell the story of salvation. The whole line of all the Yearly Feasts and Annual Sabbaths, tell the story of salvation. The Mazzeroth (AKA Zodiac) tells the story of salvation.
None of these things shall pass away until the whole period of salvation is culminated in the Glorification in the New Earth, and even then, all that was and is the Law of God will remain.
It is a false, and Biblically unsupported teaching that the Feasts ended at the cross. The book of Acts clearly shows Paul observing the Feasts WITH his Gentile converts and Ellen White supports that fact. Paul did not become a Christian until after the stoning of Stephen, more than 3½ years after the cross. The Day of Atonement, the day of Pentecost and Passover are all referenced in Paul's journeys.
The Catholic church openly confesses that they not only changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, but to have also abolished ALL other Jewish Feast days. This did not occur in the first or second century after the cross, but later.
Thus history and Scripture agree, that the Feasts remains after the cross, and the changes to these laws of God were admittedly made BY THE BEAST.
Go and investigate the "Quatrodeciman Controversy" and see the time in which these changes were made.
So Christ wasn't the fulfilment of the lamb slain at passover? When Christ said He came not to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfil, what did he fulfil if the feasts concerning His death were still being celebrated? The Israelites of the OT were keeping these feasts to point them to the coming Saviour, right? So what is the purpose of continuing them after they are fulfilled? Doesn't that deny the fulfilment of the prophesy?
Christ was the Passover "LAMB" true. The DAY of Passover is not what our Lord represented. In Hebrew the "WORD" Passover had two meanings; one being the Lamb and the other being the Holy Day. The one does not substitute for the other.
Your objection is also unsupported and assuming that what you deem as being fulfilled, and applicable to ONE holy day, applies to all. They do not.
The rest of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was not fulfilled by Christ, nor was the "Day of Pentecost" and most certainly the Feast of Trumpets, and the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles have not been fulfilled.
Christ fulfilled the Law of Sacrifices. Daniel 7 tells us that the sacrifice and oblations shall cease. Many Pentecostals claim that Christ fulfilled all the Law, and therefore they are at will, allowed to break any of them, but retain only that which the New Testament has repeated. However, even in this excuse, they omit even the statutes, of which several are quoted by Paul, citing Old Testament passages. In Malachi 4 we are admonished to remember the Law of Moses... with the statutes and the judgments.
The only Law that changed was that of the Levitical priesthood and the sacrificial law and oblations.
Christ was the Passover "LAMB" true. The DAY of Passover is not what our Lord represented. In Hebrew the "WORD" Passover had two meanings; one being the Lamb and the other being the Holy Day. The one does not substitute for the other.
Your objection is also unsupported and assuming that what you deem as being fulfilled, and applicable to ONE holy day, applies to all. They do not.
So you don't see the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles as any significance to the day of pentecost? The celebration of the message given to the Israelites at Sinai to proclaim to all nations was fulfilled when the message was given (empowered) to the apostles to proclaim to the world.
Passover: Abraham set off to sacrifice his son Isaac.
Passover: The Israelites enter into Egypt.
Passover: The Israelites leave Egypt 430 years later.
Passover: Our Messiah was sacrificed.
Passover: The Apostle Paul kept it after the cross.
When do you see that it has ended?
Who has told you that any such and such event is the fulfillment and that it has been done away with?
Maybe I missed something in my Bible 101 classes but I understand that the first Passover was during the plagues in Egypt just before the death of every first born. How do you understand the story of Abraham and Issac and the entering in to Egypt of Jacob and his sons, as being the Passover?
Also, the way I have understood Paul desiring to be in Jeruselem at the feasts, was to be able to preach the gospel to the greatest number of people in one place.
Greetings to All:...........
When Paul was talking about the body being the Temple it was base on each of individually allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell in our minds.
Look up "temple of God" in the NT and see what you guys come up with yourselves.
In Thessalonians Paul was not speaking of the mind because Satan cannot dwell in our minds only Elohim. Satan read's your impression because he cannot read the mind. The Bible says on YAHWEH looks on the inside and not you inner thoughts, not Satan.
So, the false Christ (Satan in disguise) comes and pretends to be Jesus Christ. Paul taught that he shall actually sit in us as God...since we are the temple of God. iow, if a Christian believes that Satan is the returned Christ, then Satan will have effectively "sat" in that temple of God (us).he is coming to seduce the potential bride of Christ...he's already got the rest.
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Happy Sabbath,stinsonmarri
The Evil Army
I saw a demonic army so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost and most powerful divisions were Pride, Self righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, and Unrighteous Judgment, but the largest of all was Jealousy. The leader of this vast army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself. I knew that there were many more evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but these were the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell that was now being released against the church.
The weapons carried buy this horde had names on them: the swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and their arrows were named Accusations, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons with such names as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Unforgiveness and Lust were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack. I knew in my heart that the church had never faced anything like this before.
The main assignment of this army was to cause division. It was sent to attack every level of relationship-churches with each other, congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that rejection, bitterness, lust, etc., could exploit and make a larger breech for the divisions that were coming.
The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were welldressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace. (Pastor Rick Joyner)
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