How Does Salvation WORK

[5thKingdom]

Your "explanation failed to understand the parable.


So, "heaven" means "earth" to you, eh? Wow.


Jesus didn't live in the NT. This is why you fail to discern Scripture.


#5 is correct, but #6 is quite wrong. But you're just not willing to open your eyes.

There's nothing more to say about this, since you're stuck on false teaching.


Then grow some ears.


Not even close to showing me any truth. But, otoh, you have shown me your erroneous thoughts about Scripture.

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Kingdom of Wheat and Tares
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(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" is an earthly Kingdom
We know this because the Christian Gospel is preached on earth

(2) The sower of good seed represents the Lord Jesus Christ
Mat 13:37 ... He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

(3) The sower of bad seed represents Satan, the King of Babylon
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;

(4) The "Word of the Kingdom" (the seed) is the Gospel of the New Testament
Mat 13:18 ... When any one heareth the word of the kingdom,...

(5) The "field" represents the world, as the Gospel goes forth to both Jew and Gentile
Mat 13:38 The field is the world;

(6) The "fruit" of the field" (both wheat and tares) represents the (3rd) "Kingdom of Heaven"
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

(7) The "Word of the Kingdom" gathers good fish and bad fish during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
Mat 13:47 Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea,
and gathered of every kind:

(8) The (saved) "wheat" and (unsaved) "tares" LOOK similar, and grow together
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

(9) At the end-of-the-age, the "wheat and tares" (good fish/bad fish) are separated
during the "Final Harvest"

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn.

Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered
the good [fish] into vessels, but cast the bad [fish] away.


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[5thKingdom]

I'm done with your views. I have proven that there are only 2 groups. Your 3 groupings are unbiblical and unreasonable. Even irrational.

I've given you 3 ways to differentiate the 2 groups:

1. saved and unsaved
2. believers in Christ and unbelievers
3. those going to heaven and those going to hell

That's it. There aren't any more groups of people. Just 2.

I can't say it any more clearly than this. What you want to believe is on you. But it's NOT in the Bible.

I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven. It isn't about the Church Age in any way. But you are free to opine any way you want.

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You said:
I can't say it any more clearly than this

The ISSUE is not what you say... it's what the BIBLE says.

The BIBLE says there are two groups in the church (wheat and tares)

The BIBLE also says there are those who REJECT the Gospel (non-Christians)

So you can jump up-and-down screaming TWO GROUPS all day long.
But the BIBLE shows there are THREE GROUPS and the problem is that you
do not want to accept what the BIBLE teaches.

Yes... I agree there are "wheat" and "tares" in the church (that is TWO groups)
But there are also people who reject the Gospel (that is the THIRD group)

You have presented ZERO Scripture to support your theory.
I have presented Scripture to show (1) wheat in church (2) tares in church and
(3) those OUTSIDE the church.

Your problem is not with me buddy... it is with Scripture not matching what you want.

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[5thKingdom]

I'm done with your views. I have proven that there are only 2 groups. Your 3 groupings are unbiblical and unreasonable. Even irrational.

I've given you 3 ways to differentiate the 2 groups:

1. saved and unsaved
2. believers in Christ and unbelievers
3. those going to heaven and those going to hell

That's it. There aren't any more groups of people. Just 2.

I can't say it any more clearly than this. What you want to believe is on you. But it's NOT in the Bible.

I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven. It isn't about the Church Age in any way. But you are free to opine any way you want.

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You said:
I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven. It isn't about the Church Age in any way. But you are free to opine any way you want.


Well you are telling a partial-truth.
Not EVERY "Kingdom of Heaven" is the Christian Kingdom (but the ones in Mat 13 are)

Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 22:2
Jesus specifically NAMED the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 13 (in 8 verses)
Jesus specifically NAMED the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 25:1

And the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" was specifically NAMED by Jesus
in Matthew chapters 5 and 7 and 8 and 19

The ONLY "Kingdom of Heaven" not specifically NAMED by Jesus
was the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom containing all the saints from Adam to Noah.

You do not have to LIKE what the Bible says
And you do not have to ACCEPT what the Bible says
But you cannot CHANGE what the Bible says... no matter how hard you try

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[5thKingdom]

I was speaking the truth. And you haven't shown otherwise.


Well, there you go! 2 kinds of people.


Again, there you go!


No, there is no issue at all. What makes you think there is an issue with that?

Since you placed quotes around the 'tare' "Christians", it is clear that you don't consider them saved. Why is that? The ONLY REASON would be that they never believed in Christ for salvation. They are only religious people who think, just like the crowd in Matt 7:21-23, that they will get into the kingdom on the basis of what they did for Jesus. And Jesus gave them a huge surprise when He said "depart from Me, you evil doers!" They ended up in the lake of fire.


Your fantasy grouping can easily be reduced to 2 groups.

Your first group is SAVED. They are BELIEVERS.
Your second and third group are UNSAVED. They are UNBELIEVERS.

Comprendo?


Of course that is exactly what I am saying!! It's not who "professes" to be a Christian that is saved. That would be absurd.

Every person in a liberal major denomination today claims to be a Christian. So what? The issue is not what a person professes.

No. The only issue is what a person believes.

You can go argue with yourself if you want to. But your second and third groups are THE SAME KIND. Period.

The solution to both groups is to believe in Christ alone for salvation. That will put them in the first group.

So again, there are only 2 groups of people in the world.

How about this distinction?

Those going to heaven.
Those going to hell (lake of fire).

Again, only 2 groups. Period.

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That is just hilarious.

You just argued that professing Christians are the SAME as those rejecting the Bible.

Christians = non-Christians

LOL


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[5thKingdom]

I'm done with your views. I have proven that there are only 2 groups. Your 3 groupings are unbiblical and unreasonable. Even irrational.

I've given you 3 ways to differentiate the 2 groups:

1. saved and unsaved
2. believers in Christ and unbelievers
3. those going to heaven and those going to hell

That's it. There aren't any more groups of people. Just 2.

I can't say it any more clearly than this. What you want to believe is on you. But it's NOT in the Bible.

I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven. It isn't about the Church Age in any way. But you are free to opine any way you want.

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You said:

I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven.
It isn't about the Church Age in any way.


So tell me:
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 22:2
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 13 (in 8 verses)
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 25:1
What is the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 5 and 7 and 8 and 19

You think you know the Gospel...
This should be an EASY question for you


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[5thKingdom]

I was speaking the truth. And you haven't shown otherwise.


Well, there you go! 2 kinds of people.


Again, there you go!


No, there is no issue at all. What makes you think there is an issue with that?

Since you placed quotes around the 'tare' "Christians", it is clear that you don't consider them saved. Why is that? The ONLY REASON would be that they never believed in Christ for salvation. They are only religious people who think, just like the crowd in Matt 7:21-23, that they will get into the kingdom on the basis of what they did for Jesus. And Jesus gave them a huge surprise when He said "depart from Me, you evil doers!" They ended up in the lake of fire.

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You said:
You can go argue with yourself if you want to.
But your second and third groups are THE SAME KIND

That is just hilarious...
You are saying that Christians are the SAME
as Moslems and Buddhists and Hindus and Atheists and Agnostics and Pagans

LOL

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Your fantasy grouping can easily be reduced to 2 groups.

Your first group is SAVED. They are BELIEVERS.
Your second and third group are UNSAVED. They are UNBELIEVERS.

Comprendo?


Of course that is exactly what I am saying!! It's not who "professes" to be a Christian that is saved. That would be absurd.

Every person in a liberal major denomination today claims to be a Christian. So what? The issue is not what a person professes.

No. The only issue is what a person believes.

You can go argue with yourself if you want to. But your second and third groups are THE SAME KIND. Period.

The solution to both groups is to believe in Christ alone for salvation. That will put them in the first group.

So again, there are only 2 groups of people in the world.

How about this distinction?

Those going to heaven.
Those going to hell (lake of fire).

Again, only 2 groups. Period.

That is just hilarious...

You are arguing that Christians are the SAME
as Moslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Pagans, etc.

I could not make this up if I tried.

LOL

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[FreeGrace2]

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Kingdom of Wheat and Tares
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(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" is an earthly Kingdom
We know this because the Christian Gospel is preached on earth

(2) The sower of good seed represents the Lord Jesus Christ
Mat 13:37 ... He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

(3) The sower of bad seed represents Satan, the King of Babylon
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;

(4) The "Word of the Kingdom" (the seed) is the Gospel of the New Testament
Mat 13:18 ... When any one heareth the word of the kingdom,...

(5) The "field" represents the world, as the Gospel goes forth to both Jew and Gentile
Mat 13:38 The field is the world;

(6) The "fruit" of the field" (both wheat and tares) represents the (3rd) "Kingdom of Heaven"
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

(7) The "Word of the Kingdom" gathers good fish and bad fish during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
Mat 13:47 Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea,
and gathered of every kind:

(8) The (saved) "wheat" and (unsaved) "tares" LOOK similar, and grow together
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

(9) At the end-of-the-age, the "wheat and tares" (good fish/bad fish) are separated
during the "Final Harvest"

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn.

Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered
the good [fish] into vessels, but cast the bad [fish] away.
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Funny, but I don't see anything in any of these verses that speak of a "kingdom of wheat and tares". Where did you find that phrase?

Once again, the "wheat" represent the saved, believers, those headed for heaven, and the "tares" represent the unsaved, unbelievers, those headed for hell.

This isn't even arguable. I have no idea why you even think so.

 

[FreeGrace2]

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You said:
I can't say it any more clearly than this

The ISSUE is not what you say... it's what the BIBLE says.

Well, how interesting. That's EXACTLY what I've been saying: what the Bible says.

I find NO verses that speak of your so-called "kingdom of wheat and tares". What I do find in the Bible is "kingdom of heaven", which you seem to have no idea about what that means.

The BIBLE says there are two groups in the church (wheat and tares)

No it doesn't. Your conflation is false.

The BIBLE also says there are those who REJECT the Gospel (non-Christians)

This is the unsaved, unbelievers, headed for hell. Whether they are IN a church or OUTSIDE a churh is IMMATERIAL and IRRELEVANT.

So you can jump up-and-down screaming TWO GROUPS all day long.
But the BIBLE shows there are THREE GROUPS and the problem is that you
do not want to accept what the BIBLE teaches.

Nonsense. Only you "see" 3 groups. But there are only 2; saved and unsaved.

Yes... I agree there are "wheat" and "tares" in the church (that is TWO groups)
But there are also people who reject the Gospel (that is the THIRD group)

I fail to see your "distinction" and apparently you are unable to explain any real significance between your so-called groups #2 and #3. Why is that?

You have presented ZERO Scripture to support your theory.

What do you mean by "theory"?

Do you really mean that there are MORE groups than the saved and the unsaved???
Whether one is IN or OUT of a church is totally IRRELEVANT and IMMATERIAL.

I have presented Scripture to show (1) wheat in church (2) tares in church and
(3) those OUTSIDE the church.

The ONLY thing you've presented is your confusion over what Jesus meant by assembly, or "church", which has NO relevance to the Body of Christ in the Church Age.

Your problem is not with me buddy... it is with Scripture not matching what you want.
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Once again, I'm not your buddy. I'm your brother.

What doesn't match is your opinion with Scripture.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You said:
I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven. It isn't about the Church Age in any way. But you are free to opine any way you want

No, I said all this:
"I'm done with your views. I have proven that there are only 2 groups. Your 3 groupings are unbiblical and unreasonable. Even irrational.

I've given you 3 ways to differentiate the 2 groups:
1. saved and unsaved
2. believers in Christ and unbelievers
3. those going to heaven and those going to hell

That's it. There aren't any more groups of people. Just 2.

I can't say it any more clearly than this. What you want to believe is on you. But it's NOT in the Bible.

I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven. It isn't about the Church Age in any way. But you are free to opine any way you want."

Well you are telling a partial-truth.

Maybe you're only partially confused.

Not EVERY "Kingdom of Heaven" is the Christian Kingdom (but the ones in Mat 13 are)

Your opinion hasn't been backed up by any evidence so far. So I don't "buy" it.

Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 22:2
Jesus specifically NAMED the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 13 (in 8 verses)
Jesus specifically NAMED the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 25:1

Well, the word "Christian" didn't even occur until some time after Christ's death, so your second point above is patently false. Acts 11:26 - and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

So, there is NO WAY Jesus would have used the words "Kingdom of Heaven" to refer to a "Christian" kingdom. You are just way confused.

And the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" was specifically NAMED by Jesus In Matthew chapters 5 and 7 and 8 and 19

Given your confusion, there is no way I can accept anything you claim about any kingdom.

The ONLY "Kingdom of Heaven" not specifically NAMED by Jesus
was the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom containing all the saints from Adam to Noah.

Oh, I see. You "see" kingdoms, while others see covenants and others see dispensations.

You do not have to LIKE what the Bible says

I love what the Bible says. I don't love how people twist and pervert what the Bible says.

And you do not have to ACCEPT what the Bible says

But I DO accept what the Bible says. What I absolutely REJECT is your confusion about what the Bible says.

But you cannot CHANGE what the Bible says... no matter how hard you try
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This just shows more of your extreme confusion. I haven't been trying to change what the Bible says.

Please answer this question:

When a person dies, how many places (localities) does the Bible indicate that a person might go to?

This question just may separate the wheat from the tares or sheep from the goats.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"How about this distinction?

Those going to heaven.
Those going to hell (lake of fire).

Again, only 2 groups. Period."

That is just hilarious.

So, the Bible is hilarious to you, eh?

You just argued that professing Christians are the SAME as those rejecting the Bible.

Didn't you read all of what I wrote?? Please be more careful in the future.

Christians = non-Christians

I certainly didn't say or even imply that. You're just confused again.[/QUOTE]
Apparently you don't know the difference between what one SAYS (professes) and what one believes (possesses). That is quite sad, esp since you indicated that you preach to people. They are not getting any truth from you.

I made clear about the FACT that merely "professing" doesn't mean one is saved. I explained all that.

If what I explained isn't clear to you (apparently it is not), then just ask and I will further clarify.

 

[FreeGrace2]

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You said:

I'll tell you one thing about your questions regarding the kingdom of heaven.
It isn't about the Church Age in any way.


So tell me:
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 22:2
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 13 (in 8 verses)
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 25:1
What is the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 5 and 7 and 8 and 19

You think you know the Gospel...
This should be an EASY question for you......

Why do you ask questions when you WON'T bother to answer mine? That is hypocritical.

You still haven't answered my question about any substantive difference between your so-called groups #2 and #3.

When you do that, I'll answer your questions.

 

[FreeGrace2]

That is just hilarious...

You are arguing that Christians are the SAME
as Moslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Pagans, etc.

If you actually believe what you post about what I believe or argue, then you are way more confused than I thought.

I could not make this up if I tried.

Then this proves that your confusion knows no limits at all. Wow.

A Christian is one who has placed their faith/trust alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation. Period.

Those who "claim" to be Christians may be or not.

I can't even imagine what you think a Christian is.

 

[5thKingdom]

Funny, but I don't see anything in any of these verses that speak of a "kingdom of wheat and tares". Where did you find that phrase?

Once again, the "wheat" represent the saved, believers, those headed for heaven, and the "tares" represent the unsaved, unbelievers, those headed for hell.

This isn't even arguable. I have no idea why you even think so.

 

[5thKingdom]

Funny, but I don't see anything in any of these verses that speak of a "kingdom of wheat and tares". Where did you find that phrase?

Once again, the "wheat" represent the saved, believers, those headed for heaven, and the "tares" represent the unsaved, unbelievers, those headed for hell.

This isn't even arguable. I have no idea why you even think so.

 

[5thKingdom]

You said
Funny, but I don't see anything in any of these verses that speak of a "kingdom of wheat and tares". Where did you find that phrase?

When talking about the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"

Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,

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When talking about the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
Which is the Kingdom of saved wheat and unsaved tares
[see Mat 13:24-30 and 13:36-43]


Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given
unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven,
but to them it is not given.


Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed
good seed in his field:


Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them,
saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:


Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them;
The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman
took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto
treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found,
he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he
hath, and buyeth that field.


Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto
a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:


Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net,
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:


Mat 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe
which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto
a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his
treasure things new and old.


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When talking about the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven"


Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened
unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth
[went forth from the Chistian Kingdom into the fourth Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom. Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise,
and five were foolish.


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When talking about the (5th) ETERNAL Kingdom of Heaven
see Matthew chapters 5 and 7 and 8 and 19

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You said:
Once again, the "wheat" represent the saved, believers,
those headed for heaven, and the "tares" represent the
unsaved, unbelievers, those headed for hell.


No kidding? That is EXACTLY what I have been preaching
on the forum for the last week.

This SHOWS the TWO groups of people in the church
The THIRD Group are those people OUTSIDE the church.

So... As I have been teaching you for a week..
the world consists of THREE (3) groups of people because
the unsaved "tares" in the church are DIFFERENT from the
unsaved souls OUTSIDE the church... like Moslems, Buddhists,
Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, Pagans, Satanists, etc.

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[5thKingdom]

If you actually believe what you post about what I believe or argue, then you are way more confused than I thought.


Then this proves that your confusion knows no limits at all. Wow.

A Christian is one who has placed their faith/trust alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation. Period.

Those who "claim" to be Christians may be or not.

I can't even imagine what you think a Christian is.

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You said
If you actually believe what you post about what I believe
or argue, then you are way more confused than I thought.

I said the unsaved Christian in the church is DIFFERENT
from the Moslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic,
Humanist, Pagan and Satanist...

I YOU FIND THAT CONFUSED?

Really... you think they are the same?
You think Christian = Moslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, etc?
Seems like YOU are the one who is VERY Confused.


You said:
A Christian is one who has placed their faith/trust alone
in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation. Period.
Those who "claim" to be Christians may be or not.
I can't even imagine what you think a Christian is


Wrong... a "Christian" is everyone who preaches the
Christian Gospel. Some of them are saved "wheat"
and some of them are unsaved "tares". That is what
the BIBLE teaches - whether you like it or not.

BTW... saying "period" is a sign of a child.
It DOES NOT make your statement true
and you embarrass yourself pretendng
otherwise.


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[5thKingdom]

If you actually believe what you post about what I believe or argue, then you are way more confused than I thought.


Then this proves that your confusion knows no limits at all. Wow.

A Christian is one who has placed their faith/trust alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation. Period.

Those who "claim" to be Christians may be or not.

I can't even imagine what you think a Christian is.

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You said:
If you actually believe what you post about what I believe or argue, then you are way more confused than I thought.

That is a meaningless sentence because you do not even
bother to say WHAT "you post about" refers to. And if I
am "confused" about something (like the Kingdoms of Heaven)
then simply post SCRIPTURES to refute me instead of sending
your "feelings" and not even identifying WHAT subject you
are talking about.

You said:
A Christian is one who has placed their faith/trust alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation. Period.
Those who "claim" to be Christians may be or not.
I can't even imagine what you think a Christian is.

Once Again... a Christian is someone who preaches the
Christian Gospel (it could be a saved "wheat" or it could be
an unsaved "tare).

Strange that you "cannot even imagine" that I KNOW this
since I have been posting it for a week. Do you even READ
what I post before you disagree with it? I think not... or
maybe you have a reading comprehension problem.

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[5thKingdom]

Why do you ask questions when you WON'T bother to answer mine? That is hypocritical.

You still haven't answered my question about any substantive difference between your so-called groups #2 and #3.

When you do that, I'll answer your questions.

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You said:
Why do you ask questions when you WON'T bother to answer mine? That is hypocritical.


I asked you to tell me WHO was the subject of each of the
"Kingdoms of Heaven" I cited to you... and you refuse to answer
(supposedly) because I have not answered your questions?

If I have not answered a question I apologize... as you can see
by the LENGTH of my posts... I try to make sure I address EVERY
comment.

If you have a question that you think I have NOT answered,
please post it again... I will answer ANY question about the Bible.


You said:
You still haven't answered my question about any substantive difference between your so-called groups #2 and #3. When you do that, I'll answer your questions


But I have already answered that question. I will do so again.

Group 2 are CHRISTIANS
Group 3 are NON-Christian like Moslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists
Agnostics, Humanists, Pagans, Satanists, etc.

So Group 2 are IN the church (preach the gospel)
but Group 3 are OUTSIDE the church (deny the gospel)

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[5thKingdom]

Why do you ask questions when you WON'T bother to answer mine? That is hypocritical.

You still haven't answered my question about any substantive difference between your so-called groups #2 and #3.

When you do that, I'll answer your questions.

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So tell me:
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 22:2
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 13 (in 8 verses)
What is the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 25:1
What is the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 5 and 7 and 8 and 19

You think you know the Gospel...
This should be an EASY question for you....

 

[5thKingdom]

I said:
"How about this distinction?

Those going to heaven.
Those going to hell (lake of fire).

Again, only 2 groups. Period."

So, the Bible is hilarious to you, eh?


Didn't you read all of what I wrote?? Please be more careful in the future.


I certainly didn't say or even imply that. You're just confused again.

Apparently you don't know the difference between what one SAYS (professes) and what one believes (possesses). That is quite sad, esp since you indicated that you preach to people. They are not getting any truth from you.

I made clear about the FACT that merely "professing" doesn't mean one is saved. I explained all that.

If what I explained isn't clear to you (apparently it is not), then just ask and I will further clarify.[/QUOTE]

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You said:
How about this distinction?

Those going to heaven.
Those going to hell (lake of fire).

Again, only 2 groups. Period."


Group #1 saved wheat IN THE CHURCH
Group #2 unsaved tares IN THE CHURCH
Group #3 those OUTSIDE the church

Is this REALLY too hard for you to understand? Really?


You said
So, the Bible is hilarious to you, eh?

Your strawman does not even pass the "giggle test"
What I said was hilarious was YOUR IDEAS about the Bible.
Of course you already know this but decide to PRETEND
otherwise.


You said:
I made clear about the FACT that merely "professing" doesn't mean one is saved. I explained all that.

DUH!
I have been preaching the saved "wheat" in the church
and the unsaved "tares" in the church for a week now...
So your comment above is ridiculous.

Unless you do not even BOTHER to READ what I write
(or have some disability with reading... in which case
I apologize for making fun of your disability)

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