HOW Does One Keep the Sabbath?

[sunlover1]

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But there is no command for Israel (or anyone) to keep it holy until Exodus 20.

Even then, it's not like it was
"written in stone" or something.

Oh wait.

 

[freeindeed2]

Even then, it's not like it was
"written in stone" or something.

Oh wait.

"The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise. For if the inheritance could be received only by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God's promise. But God gave it to Abraham as a promise.

Well then, why was the law given? It was given to show people how guilty they are. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of the child to whom God's promise was made." Gal 3:17-19

Even then...it was to last only until the coming of Jesus, the complete fulfillment of the law on our behalf. Read II Cor. 3 too! The veil is removed (Moses' writings) when we turn to Christ.

 

[Cribstyl]

The new testament may start with Matthew in the Bible, but the new covenant was inaugurated with Jesus' death.

Matthew 26 " For this is My blood of the new covenant, which [ ratifies the agreement and] is being poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

Jesus was supposed to keep the law.

Romans 10 " 4For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him." Amp version

Galatians 3"23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."

The commandments we are to obey are not the old covenant commands, but the commands of Jesus to love one another. This is listed in 1 John 3

"21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."

Well said Eila........... Some belief systems get people to look at the customs and culture before Christ died on the cross putting all those "types" to rest.

The truth is that, Jesus chose Paul to teach doctrines to the Church. False doctrines are "reasoned" from isolated texts rather taken from clear teaching.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

"The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise. For if the inheritance could be received only by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God's promise. But God gave it to Abraham as a promise.

Well then, why was the law given? It was given to show people how guilty they are. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of the child to whom God's promise was made." Gal 3:17-19

Even then...it was to last only until the coming of Jesus, the complete fulfillment of the law on our behalf. Read II Cor. 3 too! The veil is removed (Moses' writings) when we turn to Christ.

you're right on.

God would not first make a promise then add conditions that would supercede the promise, by making the promise null and void.


CRIB

 

[sunlover1]

Even then...it was to last only until the coming of Jesus, the complete fulfillment of the law on our behalf. Read II Cor. 3 too! The veil is removed (Moses' writings) when we turn to Christ.

Amen.


Jesus fulfilled the
law and the law is summed up
in the two commandments.
Love God with all of your heart.
Love others as yourself.

What do you think about this passage:

Matthew 5:18-21
18 For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them,
the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you,
That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness
of the scribes and Pharisees,
ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not kill;
and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause
shall be in danger of the judgment:
and whosoever shall say to his brother,
Raca, shall be in danger of the council:
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I believe that Jesus fulfilled the law and
then kicked it up a notch.
Now we have the power and direction
of the Spirit of God!

1 John 3:7-10
7 Little children, let no man deceive you:
he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;
for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest,
and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother.


Love you brother.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

you're right on.

God would not first make a promise then add conditions that would supercede the promise, by making the promise null and void.


CRIB

You mean like what Yeshua said in Matthew 5?

Until all is fulfilled (and since we are still waiting for Him to return, it's not all fulfilled) not one jot shall be removed?

Oh wait, what Yeshua said doesn't matter, because a bunch of men got together in 50ad and then Acts was written, and they wrote letters to others on what's acceptable and what's not ...

Like what I usually do, I'll go with what God has to say, not men.

 

[freeindeed2]

You mean like what Yeshua said in Matthew 5?

Until all is fulfilled (and since we are still waiting for Him to return, it's not all fulfilled) not one jot shall be removed?

Oh wait, what Yeshua said doesn't matter, because a bunch of men got together in 50ad and then Acts was written, and they wrote letters to others on what's acceptable and what's not ...

Like what I usually do, I'll go with what God has to say, not men.

Do you realize what you've just said??? Think about it! You're saying that Jesus did NOT fulfill what he said he came to fulfill! That would mean that 'not one jot or tittle' has disappeared from the entire law, which means YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, not just the 10 commandments! Also, you would have to be part of Israel living under the old covenant. Also, there couldn't be a new covenant (different than the old covenant/10 commandments) because you claim Jesus didn't fulfill the law as HE claimed.

You present serious problems! It would also mean that we have no assurance of salvation since we would still be under the law instead of grace with the Spirit of Christ living in us.

 

[Cribstyl]

You mean like what Yeshua said in Matthew 5?

Until all is fulfilled (and since we are still waiting for Him to return, it's not all fulfilled) not one jot shall be removed?

Oh wait, what Yeshua said doesn't matter, because a bunch of men got together in 50ad and then Acts was written, and they wrote letters to others on what's acceptable and what's not ...

Like what I usually do, I'll go with what God has to say, not men.

Sheeze,

In a spirit of peace and love, we do have different interpretation of Matt 5 text.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


In verse 17 Christ is talking about His coming is not to change anything in the Old Testament ( the law and the prophets) but to make what is written to come true.

In verse 18 Christ is saying, "not one dash will change til....
The problem is how you intepret or ignor (in red) what He fulfilled.

In the books of the Law, Moses said that God would raise up a prophet like himself and all would listen to Him. Also God promised a new covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34. My point is that changes was promised or why no more mandatory circumcission, sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, and sabbaths?

In verse 19 Christ uphelp, taught and followed the whole law in His life before the cross.
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Are you saying that Acts and that letters of Paul are not from God?

CRIB

P.S.

I'm often in agreement with Freeindeed2 ,Eila and SunnyL. .
They appear to present understanding of the Gospel as it is written.

 

[Eila]

You mean like what Yeshua said in Matthew 5?

Until all is fulfilled (and since we are still waiting for Him to return, it's not all fulfilled) not one jot shall be removed?

Oh wait, what Yeshua said doesn't matter, because a bunch of men got together in 50ad and then Acts was written, and they wrote letters to others on what's acceptable and what's not ...

Like what I usually do, I'll go with what God has to say, not men.

You don't believe the epistles are the Word of God?

 

[sunlover1]

P.S.

I'm often in agreement with Freeindeed2 ,Eila and SunnyL. .
They appear to present understanding of the Gospel as it is written.

I am a fan of your posts Crib.
When I see your name, I normally
find a well thought out, wise, biblical
answer.

Thank you,
You're a blessing.

 

[freeindeed2]

Amen.


Jesus fulfilled the
law and the law is summed up
in the two commandments.
Love God with all of your heart.
Love others as yourself.

What do you think about this passage:

Matthew 5:18-21
18 For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them,
the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you,
That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness
of the scribes and Pharisees,
ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not kill;
and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause
shall be in danger of the judgment:
and whosoever shall say to his brother,
Raca, shall be in danger of the council:
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I believe that Jesus fulfilled the law and
then kicked it up a notch.
Now we have the power and direction
of the Spirit of God!

1 John 3:7-10
7 Little children, let no man deceive you:
he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;
for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest,
and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother.


Love you brother.

I would say RIGHT ON! God bless you.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

Do you realize what you've just said??? Think about it! You're saying that Jesus did NOT fulfill what he said he came to fulfill! That would mean that 'not one jot or tittle' has disappeared from the entire law, which means YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, not just the 10 commandments! Also, you would have to be part of Israel living under the old covenant. Also, there couldn't be a new covenant (different than the old covenant/10 commandments) because you claim Jesus didn't fulfill the law as HE claimed.

You present serious problems! It would also mean that we have no assurance of salvation since we would still be under the law instead of grace with the Spirit of Christ living in us.

That is not what I am saying.

Yeshua added to the prophecy. For Messiah must come again.

Until He does, not one jot.

For there is more to be fulfilled now. Plus, you are under grace which is addressed. You don't HAVE to live within the law, you can teach to disobey the law and still get to heaven.

Do you not get this?

 

[tulc]

So, anyone know what we Sunday worshiping Christians do on Saturday that's so wrong?
tulc(always wondered)

 

[freeindeed2]

So, anyone know what we Sunday worshiping Christians do on Saturday that's so wrong?
tulc(always wondered)

I can tell you that Seventh-day Adventist would say you're pay homage to the Roman Catholic Church by worshiping God on Sunday. They believe that going to church on Sunday will, in the end, cause you to receive the Mark of the Beast. They believe that Sabbath (obedience) is the Seal of God, and that, in the end, all who do not worship God on the 7th day Sabbath will go to hell. (I was SDA for 35 years and an SDA pastor for 10 years!)

However, that belief is wrong in so many ways. Please don't let sabbatarian groups (usually law-focussed) 'guilt' you into accepting the sign of the old covenant/Jewish Sabbath as being required of new covenant Christians.

 

[Cribstyl]

I can tell you that Seventh-day Adventist would say you're pay homage to the Roman Catholic Church by worshiping God on Sunday. They believe that going to church on Sunday will, in the end, cause you to receive the Mark of the Beast. They believe that Sabbath (obedience) is the Seal of God, and that, in the end, all who do not worship God on the 7th day Sabbath will go to hell. (I was SDA for 35 years and an SDA pastor for 10 years!)

However, that belief is wrong in so many ways. Please don't let sabbatarian groups (usually law-focussed) 'guilt' you into accepting the sign of the old covenant/Jewish Sabbath as being required of new covenant Christians.

"My name is CRIBSTYL and I approve of this message"

CRIB

 

[djconklin]

However, that belief is wrong in so many ways. Please don't let sabbatarian groups (usually law-focussed) 'guilt' you into accepting the sign of the old covenant/Jewish Sabbath as being required of new covenant Christians.

Note the lack of proof for any of that.

The Sabbath is the day of rest that God appointed for us. It would behoove us to pay attention to Him and love Him with all our heart, mind and strength than to pay any attention to the teachings of man.

The Law of God isn't about "guilt" (unless you kill someone then you should feel quilty!). It's about love. If you love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself then as Paul says "love fulfills the law" (which is "holy, just and good"). The question is where is your focus: is it on mere words (Paul had the problem for awhile) or is on your motives? Do you love God?

 

[tulc]

The Sabbath is the day of rest that God appointed for us. It would behoove us to pay attention to Him and love Him with all our heart, mind and strength than to pay any attention to the teachings of man.

But...I do rest on the Sabbath and then I go to Church on Sunday. What am I doing that's wrong then?
tulc(still plugging away here, looking for an answer)

 

[djconklin]

The Sabbath is God's day of rest and worship (Lev. 23:3). Sunday is a man-made, pagan holiday (worshipping the sun and all that).

 

[IamAdopted]

well we are told to toil and work and all of this in the OT. This is part of the curse. Because of mans sin. Now in Christ we can rest in Him for He has shown us we do not need to toil and fret. We can rest in Him completely. We are not to worry for what we are to eat or drink or wear for our God wills supply our needs. We completely rest in Christ and all of Gods promises as Yea and Amen. It is our God who will supply all of our needs. Not just some but all. This is a sabbatical rest to me.

 

[djconklin]

The only Bible the believers in the NT era had was the OT. That was what the Bereans searched to see if these things were so. It was part of the Marcion heresy to despise the OT and that has carried through to the present time.