HOW Does One Keep the Sabbath?

[BigNorsk]

I guess we can murder and commit adultery all we want to, then?

If you hate a person, you are already a murderer and if you lust after a person already an adulterer. You miss he mark long before you violate the Law.

So too if you work to earn God's grace you are violating the Sabbath. Doesn't matter what day of the week it is. True good works spring as a natural reaction from the love of God that fills the Christian. Works done to obey laws or to earn favor are not good works. They are a denial of Jesus' works and the gospel.

Marv

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

Thank you Freeindeed.
I was hoping that this would be noted.
That's the reason I started the thread.
God killed that one guy for gathering
sticks on the Sabbath.
I don't imagine showering or cooking
would be allowed either.

Blessings,
sunlover

Rabbinical Orthodox Judaism uses this passage to justify "NOTHING" is to be done on the Sabbath...

Why was the guy gathering sticks?

 

[Cribstyl]

part 1
Shabbat is a day to keep Holy. Holy-{ko'-desh} , set apart for the worship of God. It is usually ascribed to people, It essentially involves the division of time and space into the spheres of the divine and the common, also holy and profane, clean and unclean.
This day of Seperation starts on G-ds reckoning of time, Genesis 1:5 ...And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

This is how we “Keep Shabbat” starting on Friday night.
This is how we Shabbat & How to Shabbat.........

Thank you for sharing about the Shabbat with us.

When did God give the shabbat to men?
Was their a priesthood before the Levites?

Thank you in advance

CRIB

 

[Torah]

Thank you for sharing about the Shabbat with us.

When did God give the shabbat to men?
Was their a priesthood before the Levites?

Thank you in advance

CRIB

When did God give the Shabbat to men?

From the beginning of time. It was part of his creative order of time.
Gen 1: 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, [and let them serve as signs to mark “seasons” and days and years,]
The word “SEASONS” in Hebrew is “MOEDIM” this word means “APPOINTED FEAST” or HOLIDAYS. The planetary structure points to, and regulates the Feast of
G-d. The Moedim=Feast are first and foremost part of the creative order of G-d. And not merely part of the covenant made with Israel at Sinai.




Was their a priesthood before the Levites?
To my knowledge, no.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Torah ... what of Mechelzidek? (I know I butchered that spelling LOL)

 

[Ivy]

If you hate a person, you are already a murderer and if you lust after a person already an adulterer. You miss he mark long before you violate the Law.

So too if you work to earn God's grace you are violating the Sabbath. Doesn't matter what day of the week it is. True good works spring as a natural reaction from the love of God that fills the Christian. Works done to obey laws or to earn favor are not good works. They are a denial of Jesus' works and the gospel.

Marv

I agree that it's completely futile to try and earn God's favor through works. We just could never do enough to bridge the chasm between us and God.

But I think it is a sign of good faith, pliability of spirit, gratitude, towards God for His grace, to make an effort to obey what He's asked us to do.

He has asked us to do certain concrete things, not as a means for our justification certainly, but as a means of spiritual discipline. It's not for our justification, but it is for our well-being. A disciplined life is a peaceful life, and God wants us to have peace.

 

[Cribstyl]

When did God give the Shabbat to men?

From the beginning of time. It was part of his creative order of time.
Gen 1: 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, [and let them serve as signs to mark “seasons” and days and years,]
The word “SEASONS” in Hebrew is “MOEDIM” this word means “APPOINTED FEAST” or HOLIDAYS. The planetary structure points to, and regulates the Feast of
G-d. The Moedim=Feast are first and foremost part of the creative order of G-d. And not merely part of the covenant made with Israel at Sinai.




Was their a priesthood before the Levites?
To my knowledge, no.

You said "creative order", so I'm baffled to understand where speculations of feasts and holidays fit in, before man was even created. Hmm we can be in agreement that words do evolve, but not before it's time.

The word "seasons" in this text appear to only explain one of many functions of the sun and the moon which was placed in expanse of the skies on the 4th days of creation. to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


Have you considered that Genesis was written 2500yrs after creation by Moses as a history of the sons of God from Adam? Was Hebrew was the first language?

What other biblical text can you point to shabbat in creation?

thank you

CRIB

 

[ContentInHim]

Have you considered that Genesis was written 2500yrs after creation by Moses as a history of the sons of God from Adam? Was Hebrew was the first language?

Not to go off on a tangent, but some observant Jews believe that God sang the world into existance - He sang the alef-bet! So they believe (as do I for reasons I can't rationally explain) that Hebrew is God's language.

 

[BigNorsk]

I agree that it's completely futile to try and earn God's favor through works. We just could never do enough to bridge the chasm between us and God.

But I think it is a sign of good faith, pliability of spirit, gratitude, towards God for His grace, to make an effort to obey what He's asked us to do.

He has asked us to do certain concrete things, not as a means for our justification certainly, but as a means of spiritual discipline. It's not for our justification, but it is for our well-being. A disciplined life is a peaceful life, and God wants us to have peace.

Exactly, we should do as he has commanded us.
Heb 4:9-11 NET.
(9) Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.
(10) For the one who enters God's rest has also rested from his works, just as God did from his own works.
(11) Thus we must make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.
God is not talking about the seventh day as the Sabbath rest, and note we should make every effort to enter it.

It is not helpful to speak of the seventh day as the Sabbath anymore because it confuses our weaker brothers and causes them to turn to the law to perfect what was started by grace, and that is a very dangerous thing.

It should be made clear to people that after a person is saved, his entire life is the Sabbath, every day.

It's fine to tell people to take regular physical rests, but please don't confuse them by calling it a Sabbath. The day of physical rest is not a Christian's Sabbath. Trusting in Jesus and his works is the Christian Sabbath.

We should be careful because so many get confused and that's why we see thread after thread asking about observing the Sabbath and asking if Christians must observe the 10 Commandments or other parts of the law.

Marv

 

[ContentInHim]

Marv - my thought is that one should observe the 7th day Sabbath out of love and obedience. If you are not convicted to do so - then don't. It's really that simple.

As for the Sabbath - there is only one Sabbath and no one should be confused about what it is. Whether it is observed or not is up to the individual.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Psa 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. 45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Psa 119:155 Salvation is far from the wicked: for they seek not thy statutes.

Psa 119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Exactly, we should do as he has commanded us.
Heb 4:9-11 NET.
(9) Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.
(10) For the one who enters God's rest has also rested from his works, just as God did from his own works.
(11) Thus we must make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.
God is not talking about the seventh day as the Sabbath rest, and note we should make every effort to enter it.

It is not helpful to speak of the seventh day as the Sabbath anymore because it confuses our weaker brothers and causes them to turn to the law to perfect what was started by grace, and that is a very dangerous thing.

It should be made clear to people that after a person is saved, his entire life is the Sabbath, every day.

It's fine to tell people to take regular physical rests, but please don't confuse them by calling it a Sabbath. The day of physical rest is not a Christian's Sabbath. Trusting in Jesus and his works is the Christian Sabbath.

We should be careful because so many get confused and that's why we see thread after thread asking about observing the Sabbath and asking if Christians must observe the 10 Commandments or other parts of the law.

Marv

I would go even further from Hebrews 4 and say that even more than the Sabbath being "trusting in Jesus and His work" the Sabbath rest for the Christian IS Jesus the Christ.

 

[Ivy]

It's fine to tell people to take regular physical rests, but please don't confuse them by calling it a Sabbath. The day of physical rest is not a Christian's Sabbath. Trusting in Jesus and his works is the Christian Sabbath.

We should be careful because so many get confused and that's why we see thread after thread asking about observing the Sabbath and asking if Christians must observe the 10 Commandments or other parts of the law.

Marv

It is dangerous if a person becomes self-righteous about it, or dangerous if they believe keeping rules will bring them salvation.

But I don't think anyone needs to feel that it is inherently dangerous to follow a practice that Jesus himself followed. If it were a wrong thing to do, He certainly wouldn't have done it Himself.

He demonstrated that God's ways can be followed in a spirit of grace & freedom, not from a place of legalism or fear.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

We are to be known by the fruits of our works...

While just believing in Messiah brings us to God.

Matthew 25. Yes the whole chapter.

 

[Wags]

They were never under the covenant (the law) God made with Israel. The fact is, God gave Israel the law to set them apart from all other nations. However, there were 'strangers and foreigners' that joined themselves to Israel, in which case they came under the covenant. But the covenant was never commanded of all nations.

Are you trying to say that the Sabbath was commanded of all people, not just those rescued from bondage in Egypt?

Some teach that the 7th day Sabbath was a sign of the "old" covenant, but in reality it reaches all the way back to creation - and scripture says that we are to observe it as a memorial of creation.

Genesis 2:1-3 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Notice the connection in the fourth commandment back to creation?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Exodus 20: 8-11 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.[/FONT]

The 7th day Sabbath is also mentioned prior to the giving of the written instructions.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Exodus 16:23-29 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]23 He said to them, "This is what the Lord commanded: 'Tomorrow is to be a day of rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.'" 24 So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. 25 "Eat it today," Moses said, "because today is a Sabbath to the Lord. You will not find any of it on the ground today. 26 Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any." 27 Nevertheless, some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather it, but they found none. 28 Then the Lord said to Moses, "How long will you refuse to keep my commands and my instructions? 29 Bear in mind that the Lord has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days.[/FONT]

You are right that the covenant wasn't given to all peoples. But according to Isaiah 56 it was possible for all people to be brought into the covenant.

Isaiah 56:6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord to serve him, to love the name of the Lord, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant

Paul also says that non-jews that choose to follow the JEWISH messiah are adopted into the common wealth of Israel. They are grafted in because they choose to love the name of the Lord, and to worship Him. There is nothing different between what Isaiah is describing and what Paul is describing.
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[GoodNewsJim]

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. Do things you think would glorify Jesus, including working if you're doing it to help others out. Jesus is glorified if you help people out of your own free will.

 

[freeindeed2]

Some teach that the 7th day Sabbath was a sign of the "old" covenant, but in reality it reaches all the way back to creation - and scripture says that we are to observe it as a memorial of creation.

But there is no command for Israel (or anyone) to keep it holy until Exodus 20.

Notice the connection in the fourth commandment back to creation?

In Deut 5 it only connects it back to delivering Israel from slavery.

The 7th day Sabbath is also mentioned prior to the giving of the written instructions.

Yes, God was teaching Israel about the Sabbath with the manna, and of course they didn't listen and went out anyway on the 7th day. They didn't know what rest was after all those years of slavery.

You are right that the covenant wasn't given to all peoples. But according to Isaiah 56 it was possible for all people to be brought into the covenant.

Yes, they 'could' have, but they didn't. A few did.

Paul also says that non-jews that choose to follow the JEWISH messiah are adopted into the common wealth of Israel. They are grafted in because they choose to love the name of the Lord, and to worship Him. There is nothing different between what Isaiah is describing and what Paul is describing.

They are not grafted into Israel, but to the true Vine, Jesus Christ. There is neither Jew, or Gentile, male or female.

 

[livelystar]

And before we want to start "throwing down" scriptures about being new creations, take a GOOD look at what Yeshua did, look in John. He was circumcised as a baby, his parents gave the dove offering (Abrahamic covenant), it permeates of his "jewishness" do not take that away from Him. He WENT to the synagogue and taught for Shabbat "...as was his custom..." When Yeshua says, "If you love Me obey my commandmants (and he says this OVER and OVER again in the Re-Newed Covenant (aka New Testament)"... His commandants are part of the Torah. And G-d the Father in Leviticus says keep my sabbath FOREVER. He did not say "until Messiah comes." He says forever. G-d's words NOT mine. Read the books of Acts, what did Paul do? He kept the Shabbot, faithfully, he also taught in the synagogues. He followed his Saviour's example as we must strive to imiate Yeshua, and a HUGE part of that is keeping Torah and Yeshua kept it perfectly. My husband and I were "Calvaryites" going to Calvary Chapel, and heard the word and it was good but sorely lacking. Now that we have been keeping Shabbat, there is MOST definitely abundant blessings in that. When you read the word, make sure you "read" the word. Know who and what your Saviour is, because He instructs us to be like Him, Paul also tells us to be "..imitater's of Christ.." as he was an imitater of Christ. And in imitating our Saviour, we will be new creations, creations that are obedient and not living life how we feel we can live. By His word, not our own.

Shalom

 

[tulc]

Welcome to CF livelystar!!
tulc(hopes you're blessed here!)

 

[Eila]

And before we want to start "throwing down" scriptures about being new creations, take a GOOD look at what Yeshua did, look in John. He was circumcised as a baby, his parents gave the dove offering (Abrahamic covenant), it permeates of his "jewishness" do not take that away from Him. He WENT to the synagogue and taught for Shabbat "...as was his custom..." When Yeshua says, "If you love Me obey my commandmants (and he says this OVER and OVER again in the Re-Newed Covenant (aka New Testament)"... His commandants are part of the Torah. And G-d the Father in Leviticus says keep my sabbath FOREVER. He did not say "until Messiah comes." He says forever. G-d's words NOT mine. Read the books of Acts, what did Paul do? He kept the Shabbot, faithfully, he also taught in the synagogues. He followed his Saviour's example as we must strive to imiate Yeshua, and a HUGE part of that is keeping Torah and Yeshua kept it perfectly. My husband and I were "Calvaryites" going to Calvary Chapel, and heard the word and it was good but sorely lacking. Now that we have been keeping Shabbat, there is MOST definitely abundant blessings in that. When you read the word, make sure you "read" the word. Know who and what your Saviour is, because He instructs us to be like Him, Paul also tells us to be "..imitater's of Christ.." as he was an imitater of Christ. And in imitating our Saviour, we will be new creations, creations that are obedient and not living life how we feel we can live. By His word, not our own.

Shalom

The new testament may start with Matthew in the Bible, but the new covenant was inaugurated with Jesus' death.

Matthew 26 " For this is My blood of the new covenant, which [ ratifies the agreement and] is being poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

Jesus was supposed to keep the law.

Romans 10 " 4For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him." Amp version

Galatians 3"23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."

The commandments we are to obey are not the old covenant commands, but the commands of Jesus to love one another. This is listed in 1 John 3

"21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."