How does one forgive oneself?

[tonychanyt]

by forgiving everyone else.

The Father forgives you if and only if you forgive others.

If you refuse to forgive someone, then ask yourself: Do you have the Paraclete in you?

If you have forgiven others who sinned against you, then the Father has forgiven you.

If the Father has forgiven you, then you can forgive yourself, unless, of course, you hold a higher standard than God.

No need to focus on yourself. Focus on God and others.

 

[sandman]

Actually that changed in this administration of grace. we are now admonished to forgive.... even as

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

But ... forgiving yourself is not always easy .... even though God says in Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation (downward judgment) to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It still can be renewed mind challenge to forgive oneself.

 

[tonychanyt]

Actually that changed in this administration of grace. we are now admonished to forgive.... even as

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

But ... forgiving yourself is not always easy .... even though God says in Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation (downward judgment) to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It still can be renewed mind challenge to forgive oneself.

Do you have trouble forgiving yourself?

 

[St_Worm2]

If you have forgiven others who sinned against you, then the Father has forgiven you.

Hmmm, so you are saying that our choice to forgive others when they sin against us is the way of salvation then? (no Savior needed, eh?)

If the Father has forgiven you, then you can forgive yourself, unless, of course, you hold a higher standard than God.

Hi Tony, I agree with this. We need to believe and trust God by taking Him at His word (rather than hanging onto sins that He has already forgiven and cleansed us of). We need to believe that His promise to us, found here .. 1 John 1:9, has indeed occurred, even if it doesn't FEEL like it has (doesn't FEEL like we've been forgiven and cleansed of our sins in the moment, that is).

We are all but useless to God in this fight if we continue to wallow in our sins, particularly in those which have already been forgiven by Him, a fact that Satan is well-aware of/makes use of, of course. We need to get up and get back into the fight (and back to growing in Christlikeness, and in our relationship with our loving Abba), trusting/knowing that we've truly been forgiven by Him (whether we "feel" forgiven in the moment or not).

We are to please, honor and glorify God, yes, none of which is possible when we choose to believe our feelings/listen to Satan rather than choosing to listen to God (by believing & trusting 'Him' instead).

God bless you!!

--David

1 John 1​

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.​

 

[tonychanyt]

Hmmm, so you are saying that our choice to forgive others when they sin against us is the way of salvation then?

Where did I say that? Can you quote my words?

 

[St_Worm2]

Where did I say that? Can you quote my words?

Sure, here you go:

If you have forgiven others ... then the Father has forgiven you.

Tony, you did notice my little emoticon after I wrote that to you above, yes, by which I meant that I KNOW that you don't believe that! Nevertheless, taken as written, it could be interrupted as such, yes?

God bless you!!

--David

 

[sandman]

Do you have trouble forgiving yourself?

No..........

 

[St_Worm2]

Hello again Tony (@tonychanyt), since this topic has been broached, I do have another question for you. How do you believe the words of Matthew 6:14-15 are applied in the case of someone who has already been born again and justified/saved by God?

I ask because refusing to forgive someone (who has expressly asked to be forgiven) is a sin, so, if a true believer sins in this way, do you think that they lose their salvation because of their refusal to do so?

Also, do you believe that if someone loses their salvation (in this way) that the Lord will save them again if they choose to repent later on? Why?/Why not?

Thanks

Blessings to you in Christ!!

--David

Matthew 6​

14 If you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. ​

15 But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions. ​

.​

 

[tonychanyt]

Sure, here you go:

Tony, you did notice my little emoticon after I wrote that to you above, yes, by which I meant that I KNOW that you don't believe that! Nevertheless, taken as written, it could be interrupted as such, yes?

Right. Good point. I've added some clarification in my OP. Thanks

 

[tonychanyt]

No..........

Thanks for the clarification

 

[Diamond72]

The Father forgives you if and only if you forgive others

Can we be forgive if we do not repent of our sin? We may relent, we maybe sorry we are sinners. But are we required to quit to be forgiven?

 

[tonychanyt]

Can we be forgive if we do not repent of our sin? We may relent, we maybe sorry we are sinners. But are we required to quit to be forgiven?

Right, forgiveness and repentance are related. See Repentance: Initial and subsequent and follow up there.

 

[Fireinfolding]

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

There is a picture of the Holy Ghost given them and forgiving or remiting sins there and on the contrary there.

 

[tonychanyt]

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

There is a picture of the Holy Ghost given them and forgiving or remiting sins there and on the contrary there.

See If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven and follow up there.

 

[Fireinfolding]

If you refuse to forgive someone, then ask yourself: Do you have the Paraclete in you?

My last response was basically to what you posted in the above, showing Jesus giving the Spirit to them while telling them whose sins they remit would be remitted and/or retained. No new thread needed, unless its for a Christian AI program you are working on.

 

[tonychanyt]

My last response was basically to what you posted in the above, showing Jesus giving the Spirit to them while telling them whose sins they remit would be remitted and/or retained. No new thread needed, unless its for a Christian AI program you are working on.

I am not sure what your point is. Are you satisfied with my answers now or do you still have a lingering question?

 

[Fireinfolding]

I am not sure what your point is. Are you satisfied with my answers now or do you still have a lingering question?

I didn't even require an answer, I just posted scripture to what you posted on this thread.

 

[tonychanyt]

No new thread needed, unless its for a Christian AI program you are working on.

I did not post a new thread just for your sake. There are others who are interested.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I did not post a new thread just for your sake. There are others who are interested.

Your reply to me was for me to see your newly posted thread after I posted a scripture. You asked me if I was satisfied with your answers. But I didn't ask a question or expect another thread to be opened to answer a scripture. You now say I do not post a new thread for my sake, yet you opened it after my post and then hit reply and linked me to it (and asked me if I was satisfied with answers to a scripture?)

I'm sure there could be someone else interested in your additional posts, I don't think I have stated otherwise.

 

[tonychanyt]

Your reply to me was for me to see your newly posted thread after I posted a scripture.

and therefore no one else should see it?