How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

BobRyan · Jan 11, 2019

Major1 said:
Real history says that Adventist meetings and devotees of William Miller, was convinced that Christ would return on October 22, 1844.

Real history shows that there was never a Seventh-day Adventist meeting stating that Christ would return in 1844 ...

details matter.

The Seventh-day Adventist church was not started until 1861. Of the 50,000 or so "Millerites" in 1844 who thought Jesus was coming sometime in 1844 -- less than 1/10 of 1% (so then about 50 of them) split off to begin a movement that eventually became the Seventh-day Adventist church.

details matter.

Shortly after James and Ellen married, they studied a tract written by Joseph Bates titled Seventh-day Sabbath

And Ellen White rejected it.

And a Seventh-day Baptist by the name of Rachael Oaks studied with an Adventist minister - convincing him that the Ten Commandments "matter" and that the Sabbath commandment could not be "edited" the way so many people were imagining it to have been. That results in the first Sabbath keeping Adventist congregation.

mmksparbud · Jan 11, 2019

BobRyan said:
Real history shows that there was never a Seventh-day Adventist meeting stating that Christ would return in 1844 ...

details matter.

The Seventh-day Adventist church was not started until 1861. Of the 50,000 or so "Millerites" in 1844 who thought Jesus was coming sometime in 1844 -- less than 1/10 of 1% (so then about 50 of them) split off to begin a movement that eventually became the Seventh-day Adventist church.

details matter.

And Ellen White rejected it.

And a Seventh-day Baptist by the name of Rachael Oaks studied with an Adventist minister - convincing him that the Ten Commandments "matter" and that the Sabbath commandment could not be "edited" the way so many people were imagining it to have been. That results in the first Sabbath keeping Adventist congregation.

Thanks--
Showed him all that in earlier posts--He is not interested in knowing the truth----prefers his own little fairy tale world ----

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Real history shows that there was never a Seventh-day Adventist meeting stating that Christ would return in 1844 ...

details matter.

The Seventh-day Adventist church was not started until 1861. Of the 50,000 or so "Millerites" in 1844 who thought Jesus was coming sometime in 1844 -- less than 1/10 of 1% (so then about 50 of them) split off to begin a movement that eventually became the Seventh-day Adventist church.

details matter.

And Ellen White rejected it.

And a Seventh-day Baptist by the name of Rachael Oaks studied with an Adventist minister - convincing him that the Ten Commandments "matter" and that the Sabbath commandment could not be "edited" the way so many people were imagining it to have been. That results in the first Sabbath keeping Adventist congregation.

I do not know where you get your information from, I suspect from a SDA apologetic web site, but what I know and what can be obtained is nothing like what you just posted.

In 1818 Miller announced to the world that in 25 years (March 1844) Jesus Christ would return to the earth. At the height of his ministry, Miller had gathered some 50,000 followers, who had also become known as "Adventists." When March 1844 came and went with no sign of Jesus Christ having returned, Miller recalculated the new date to October 22, 1844. When Jesus did not return on October 22, 1844, the entire Millerite movement collapsed as his followers' Christian faith were destroyed. Miller revamped his doctrine to say that Christ had indeed returned, but that Miller had not understood that Christ first had to come to the "Heavenly Sanctuary," which He is now busy cleaning. Once Jesus has cleansed things up in heaven, He would be coming back to the earth.

The remnant that bought into this lie formed the Advent Church and in 1845 William Miller became its first president. The name was later changed to Seventh Day Adventists and after the death of Miller in 1849 a new false prophet came on the scene, this time a woman, Ellen G. White.

Source......Cult of Seventh Day Adventism
With the collapse of Miller's prediction that Christ would return in 1844, the movement needed a cause in order to survive. After the damage control had been completed and the SDA spin doctors had cured the disease, it was time for the SDA leadership to hammer out some kind of "theology" that could be used to attract new converts to their fold.

There are a myriad of reasons for why people leave the SDA Church, but in recent years, one reason has begun to stand out above all others: Knowledge.
With easy access to the Internet, people have at their fingertips a wealth of knowledge about the FALSE teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Adventists are often sucked into the SDA Church through cleverly disguised and advertised evangelistic campaigns held in a public locations with no mention that the meetings are organized by Seventh-day Adventists. The multimedia presentations are designed to appeal to the senses and the emotions. End-time prophecies are presented in such a way as to arouse alarm and fear.

Below are some of the Top Reasons cited by Adventists who study their way out of the SDA Church:
"Ellen White was a false prophet."
"Support for their Sanctuary Doctrine cannot be found in the Bible."
"There is no Biblical evidence for an Investigative Judgment."
"They continually and repeatedly ask me for more money!"
"The Veggie diet is never promoted in the Scriptures!"
"Their prophecy & National Sunday Law teachings are absurd."

Source:Members leaving SDA Church in droves

I agree! DETAILS matter and so does TRUTH!

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Thanks--
Showed him all that in earlier posts--He is not interested in knowing the truth----prefers his own little fairy tale world ----

FOFL...……..Again!

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Real history shows that there was never a Seventh-day Adventist meeting stating that Christ would return in 1844 ...

details matter.

The Seventh-day Adventist church was not started until 1861. Of the 50,000 or so "Millerites" in 1844 who thought Jesus was coming sometime in 1844 -- less than 1/10 of 1% (so then about 50 of them) split off to begin a movement that eventually became the Seventh-day Adventist church.

details matter.

And Ellen White rejected it.

And a Seventh-day Baptist by the name of Rachael Oaks studied with an Adventist minister - convincing him that the Ten Commandments "matter" and that the Sabbath commandment could not be "edited" the way so many people were imagining it to have been. That results in the first Sabbath keeping Adventist congregation.

As usual, you guys only tell half the truth. The half that YOU like. The REAL truth however is that Modern Seventh-day Adventism traces its origins back to the early 1800's to Mr. William Miller.

He concluded that Jesus would return in the year covering 1843-1844.
He INCORRECTLY interpreted the 2300 evenings and mornings to be years and counted forward from 457 BC when the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem was given (Dan. 9:24-25).

When his initial predictions failed, he adjusted his findings to conclude that Jesus would return on March 21, 1844, and then later on October 22, 1844. After these too failed, Miller quit promoting his ideas on Jesus' return and the "Millerites" broke up.

That is when Mrs. White came upon the scene and claimed to see in a vision of a narrow path where an angel was guiding Adventists. Subsequent visions resulted in interpretations of the three angels in Rev. 14:6-11 as being 1843-1844 as the hour of God's judgment; the fall of Babylon signified by Adventists leaving various churches, and admonitions against Sunday worship.

1849 - First paper, the Present Truth, was printed in Middletown, Conn.
1850 - First issue of the Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, printed in Maine.

TRUTH matters more than details my friend.

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

mmksparbud said:
If you are under the impression that the Catholics keep Sunday because of biblical grounds--you are mistaken. This is from the Catholics themselves--again--not from SDA's.
The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by: Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R. (published by: B. Herder Book Co. -1946)

3. The Third Commandment:

Q. What is the Third Commandment?

A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

Q. Which is the Sabbath Day?

A. Saturday is the Sabbath Day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

Q. What does the Third Commandment command?

A. The Third Commandment commands us to sanctify Sunday as the Lord’s Day.

Q. What does the Third Commandment forbid?

A. The Third Commandment forbids (1) The omission of prayer and divine worship; (2) All unnecessary servile work; (3) Whatever hinders the keeping of the Lord’s Day holy.

Q. Is the desecration of the Lord’s Day a grievous matter?

A. The desecration of the Lord’s Day is a grievous matter in itself, though it admits of light matter."

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday.
Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church
.” Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

"Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope."
Our Sunday Visitor
, February 5th, 1950.

. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority. Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174
"All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible." The Catholic Virginian, "To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

"... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

WHY would you think I care about what the Catholic church says or does?

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Agreed. "Real life" is a difficult concept for some Points of View these days.

TRUTH is a hard concept.

“The truth will set you free, but first it will [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] you off.”
― Joe Klaas, Twelve Steps to Happiness

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Agreed. "Real life" is a difficult concept for some Points of View these days.

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
― Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-2

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

mmksparbud said:
How could the disciples and those before and after the 2nd century have heard it from EGW when she wasn't even born yet? You were shown the many historical writings about the early churches including the early church of Ireland (non of them written by any SDA--there were none then) that met on Saturday but you refuse to read them or acknowledge the reality of history to spout you own version of it. Again, thank you for quoting EGW, but you are the only one doing so.

In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

Major1 · Jan 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Excellent point! Those who perseverate on Ellen White as their response to every post, every thread, every topic are choosing a failing "solution".

I always make my case from the Bible so that those who are massively confused to imagine that the case can only be made by quoting Ellen White - are disabused.

What is interesting is that anyone claiming that Christians ceased to keep the Sabbath after the 1st century are basically shooting their own argument against God's Bible Sabbath in the foot according to Acts 20.

But be careful because folks not at all interested in the "details" of a discussion thread are usually still interested in a bend-wrench kind of "spin" on what you post.

hmmm my efforts to disabuse not always entirely successful.

DETAILS...…………

But the bottom line is that there is no biblical evidence for the churches meeting on the Sabbath–absolutely none,

mmksparbud · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
As usual, you guys only tell half the truth. The half that YOU like. The REAL truth however is that Modern Seventh-day Adventism traces its origins back to the early 1800's to Mr. William Miller.

He concluded that Jesus would return in the year covering 1843-1844.
He INCORRECTLY interpreted the 2300 evenings and mornings to be years and counted forward from 457 BC when the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem was given (Dan. 9:24-25).

When his initial predictions failed, he adjusted his findings to conclude that Jesus would return on March 21, 1844, and then later on October 22, 1844. After these too failed, Miller quit promoting his ideas on Jesus' return and the "Millerites" broke up.

That is when Mrs. White came upon the scene and claimed to see in a vision of a narrow path where an angel was guiding Adventists. Subsequent visions resulted in interpretations of the three angels in Rev. 14:6-11 as being 1843-1844 as the hour of God's judgment; the fall of Babylon signified by Adventists leaving various churches, and admonitions against Sunday worship.

1849 - First paper, the Present Truth, was printed in Middletown, Conn.
1850 - First issue of the Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, printed in Maine.

TRUTH matters more than details my friend.

There you go again--going way off subject---THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE BEGINNINGS OF ADVENTISM BUT ABOUT SABBATH WORSHIP!!! We all know when Adventism began--we became a church in 1861--the question is about the day of worship according to the bible and history!!! That has been shown to you over and over and you refuse to even see it.
So why do you keep making statements about Adventism instead of the day of worship and all the -prove about it?? If you can't keep on the subject, why do you keep posting, esp. when you say this is all a waste of time? I thank you for giving everyone a history lesson on Adventism, but that is not the subject!!!

mmksparbud · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

AGAIN--THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE BEGINNINGS OF ADVENTISM BUT ABOUT THE 7TH DAY SABBATH!!!! That has been kept since the disciples and it has been shown to you over and over and you ignore it for history lessons on Adventism that is common knowledge!! You obviously are unable to prove your point so you keep repeating off subject info that everyone knows.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
DETAILS...…………

But the bottom line is that there is no biblical evidence for the churches meeting on the Sabbath–absolutely none,

Seek, keep seeking, (for the truth), quietly, gently , honestly,

then God Says you will find the truth, and the truth will set you free.

God's Promise. In line with all of His Word and Plan and Purpose in Jesus.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 12, 2019

mmksparbud said:
AGAIN--THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE BEGINNINGS OF ADVENTISM BUT ABOUT THE 7TH DAY SABBATH!!!! That has been kept since the disciples and it has been shown to you over and over and you ignore it for history lessons on Adventism that is common knowledge!! You obviously are unable to prove your point so you keep repeating off subject info that everyone knows.

Everyone who , since the Garden of Eden,
rested on the 7th day,
was either tired and needed the rest,
or was obedient serving Yahweh,
as Yahweh grants His beloved rest.

We can rest, because He made it so.

BobRyan · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
DETAILS...…………

But the bottom line is that there is no biblical evidence for the churches meeting on the Sabbath–absolutely none,

until you read the NT.

In the NT they meet "every Sabbath" both Jews and gentiles to hear gospel preaching.
In the NT they believe that the "5th commandment is the first commandment with a promise" in that still valid unit of TEN - written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant
In the NT we are told "the Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27
In the NT "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
In the NT there IS NO evidence that any Christians met every week day 1 for worship.
In the NT they call the 7th day the SABBATH -- but never say they call week-day-1 the LORD's Day

There are MANY Sabbath after Sabbath meetings for Gospel preaching in the NT
There are NO week-day-1 after week-day-1 meetings for Gospel preaching in the NT church

BobRyan · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

She never claimed that all Christians called themselves "Seventh-day Adventist" -- quote someone other than "you" to make your accusations.

BobRyan · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
― Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-2

How true. If only I get get a few more people on board with that.

mmksparbud · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
DETAILS...…………

But the bottom line is that there is no biblical evidence for the churches meeting on the Sabbath–absolutely none,

Bottom line it has been shown you and you choose to ignore the evidence!! Go back and read the posts you have refused to read!

BobRyan · Jan 12, 2019

Major1 said:
Real history says that Adventist meetings and devotees of William Miller, was convinced that Christ would return on October 22, 1844.

Real history shows that there was never a Seventh-day Adventist meeting stating that Christ would return in 1844 ...

details matter.

The Seventh-day Adventist church was not started until 1861. Of the 50,000 or so "Millerites" in 1844 who thought Jesus was coming sometime in 1844 -- less than 1/10 of 1% (so then about 50 of them) split off to begin a movement that eventually became the Seventh-day Adventist church.

details matter.

Shortly after James and Ellen married, they studied a tract written by Joseph Bates titled Seventh-day Sabbath

And Ellen White rejected it.

And a Seventh-day Baptist by the name of Rachael Oaks studied with an Adventist minister - convincing him that the Ten Commandments "matter" and that the Sabbath commandment could not be "edited" the way so many people were imagining it to have been. That results in the first Sabbath keeping Adventist congregation.

Major1 said:
I do not know where you get your information from,

Actual history.
The words (Writing) of the eye witnesses.

Try it.

Major1 said:
In 1818 Miller announced to the world that in 25 years (March 1844) Jesus Christ would return to the earth.

Historic fact: William Miller was not a Seventh-day Adventist in 1818 and never became one.
Historic fact: the Seventh-day Adventist church did not organize untll 1861.

Details don't vanish simply because they are ignored.

Major1 said:
. When Jesus did not return on October 22, 1844, the entire Millerite movement collapsed as his followers' Christian faith were destroyed. Miller revamped his doctrine to say that Christ had indeed returned, but that Miller had not understood that Christ first had to come to the "Heavenly Sanctuary," which He is now busy cleaning. Once Jesus has cleansed things up in heaven, He would be coming back to the earth.

Miller never taught that.
Try actual history.

Major1 said:
The remnant that bought into this lie formed the Advent Church and in 1845 William Miller became its first president. The name was later changed to Seventh Day Adventists and after the death of Miller in 1849 a new false prophet came on the scene, this time a woman, Ellen G. White.

Pure fiction. Miller never adopted the Sanctuary in heaven solution regarding the 2300 years to explain the Oct 22, 1844 event and the start of the Most Holy Place ministry of Christ.

He never was a Seventh-day Adventist.

Hint: When you want to oppose what some denomination teaches - learn the actual teaching, the real history, and refute the teaching that you believe to be in error. The option of "just make stuff up" about their history does not work.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Agreed. "Real life" is a difficult concept for some Points of View these days.

"Real life" = Reality = Truth = Jesus = Scripture =God's Word

Major1 said:
“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
― Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-2

Same with Scripure - Eternally unchangeable.

BobRyan said:
How true. If only I get get a few more people on board with that.

So many object, even long time church goers.... so few believe Scripture...

mmksparbud said:
Bottom line it has been shown you and you choose to ignore the evidence!! Go back and read the posts you have refused to read!

"ignore the evidence!!" = ignore Scripture = reject Jesus = reject God

Seen this so often today , and over the last 15 years in churches and on this forum.
People are sometimes just unlearned, but other times outwardly and zealously rebellious against God and His Word and His people -
because
"The LIGHT has come into the world, and the world rejected the LIGHT (JESUS), because its deeds (hearts and minds?) are evil"
and they don't
want to be embarrassed.
They love, l o v e , the darkness instead of LIGHT (JESUS),
and they prefer the love of men, INSTEAD of God's Salvation !

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