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it is only through the bible that the 7th day Sabbath is found to be the true Sabbath. You could throw EGW out the window and there is not one doctrine that we adhere to that wpould go out that window with her for our believes are biblically based.
We were not the first to keep the 7th day Sabbath.
She wasn't even aware of the Sabbath until a woman of another faith, Rachel Oaks-- a 7th day Baptist---Told her about it. She then did some research on it and it was only after she was convinced about it that she had her vision. Contrary to popular believe, she did not have the visions first, then we blindly followed. Esp. at the very beginning, when the founding fathers got together to study the bible, they made notes on what they studied and prayed about their conclusions and then she would have visions that confirmed or denied those believes. She was not alone when she had this one--
"Last Sabbath we met with the dear brethren and sisters here, who meet at Bro. Howland’s. {WLF 18.1}"
Jesus opened them, and I saw the ten commandments written on them with the finger of God. [Exodus 31:18.] On one table was four, and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth (the Sabbath commandment,) shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God’s holy name. [Isaiah 58:13, 14.] The holy Sabbath looked glorious—a halo of glory was all around it. I saw that the Sabbath was not nailed to the cross. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to go forth and break them all, as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. [Malachi 3:6.] But the Pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws. [Daniel 7:25.] {WLF 18.3}
And I saw that if God had changed the Sabbath, from the seventh to the first day, He would have changed the writing of the Sabbath commandment, written on the tables of stone, which are now in the ark, in the Most Holy Place of the Temple in heaven; [Revelation 11:19.] and it would read thus: the first day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. But I saw that it read the same as when written on the tables of stone by the finger of God, and delivered to Moses in Sinai, “But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” [Exodus 20:10.]
Ellen G. White Writings in Multiple Languages
vice versa? or is it versa vice ? < shrugs > common in any case, on the internet.Your Bible exegesis is very troubling.
Your are simply cherry picking out of CONTEXT any Scriptures which you can then manufacture what YOU and the SDA's want them to say.
YES! almost.it is only through the bible that the 7th day Sabbath is found to be the true Sabbath. You could throw EGW out the window and there is not one doctrine that we adhere to that wpould go out that window with her for our believes are biblically based.
We never claimed to be the first to keep the 7th day Sabbath--nor the only ones. There are other denominations who hold to many of our believes--bible truth is truth.
It is very telling that you would post such a thought. Again, and I say that will all respect to you as a person, but my friend, you are completely in error on this subject.
IF, IF you are trying to distance yourself from Mrs. White and fall back on the Scriptures as your directive then you are not understanding the Scriptures at all.
The boottom line truth here is that of the Ten Commandments, there is probably more confusion about this one than about any other:
Exodus 20:8..……...
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy".
So let's understand what it is and what it isn't.
There is NOT ONE single word of direction in that verse about attending church on the Sabbath!!!!!!
This commandment originally was given to the Hebrew people for a day of Sabbath rest, which, by the way, is Saturday. "REST" does not in anyway translate to …………
"Go to Church on Saturday".
Then it is of vital importance to understand that this commandment to keep the Sabbath is the only command that is not repeated in the New Testament.
It was given to the Jewish people but not to non-Jews.
Jesus never taught anyone to keep the Sabbath. In fact, He was repeatedly accused of breaking the Sabbath.
The apostles never taught anyone to keep the Sabbath.
The Jews met in their synagogue on Saturday. The early church, made up of Jews and Gentiles, met on the first day of the week, Sunday.
Why did they meet on Sunday? That is the day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. It was a New Covenant.
The SDA has confused LAW with Grace and taken the Sabbath and have tried to turn it into a law that Christians must keep in order to be saved.
Ellen White then made Sunday worship as the MARK OF THE BEAST which is totally unbiblical.
But the Bible addresses this in Colossians 2:16–17, saying...……
"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."
The Sabbath was pointing to and was fulfilled in Jesus. One word could sum up our faith: done. It was done for us by Christ on the cross.
IF.....IF YOU personally feel like YOU must attend church on Saturday, then by all means do it. BUT do not judge others by what YOU are personally convicted by because the Bible clearly does NOT tell anyone to "ATTEND CHURCH ON THE SABBATH/SATURDAY."
That is what Mr. Miller and Mrs. White has told you, not the Word of God!!!!!
The Law says, the Bible says "REST".
What good do you think that it does for your opinion to quote the hallucinations of Ellen White and then turn right around and state that what you believe is strictly from the Bible...……...when the Bible now where says to attend church on Saturday to Christians??
I quoted her only because you brought her up---I had never mentioned her. So far, you are the only one quoting her and frequently--but you have not answered where all those who kept the 7th day Sabbath long before there was an EGW got their information from.
The bible nowhere says we are to attend church on the 1st day of the week.
BTW---the first people to state that the beast in Revelation was the pope were Catholics priests way back since long before Martin Luther.
Arnulf, archbishop of Reims disagreed with the policies and morals of Pope John XV. He expressed his views while presiding over the Council of Reims in A.D. 991. Arnulf accused John XV of being the Antichrist while also using the 2 Thessalonians passage about the "man of lawlessness" (or "lawless one"), saying: "Surely, if he is empty of charity and filled with vain knowledge and lifted up, he is Antichrist sitting in God's temple and showing himself as God." This incident is history's earliest record of anyone identifying a pope with the Antichrist (see Christian Historicism).[34]
Matthew 28:1: ……..
"Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb." Matthew wrote these words, under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, several years after the New Testament church came into being.
Mark 16:2: ……
"Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
John 20:19:...…..
"Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, 'Peace be with you.'
This tells us that they were meeting together to celebrate the resurrection, thus establishing Sunday as the Christian Sabbath in honor of the resurrection.
Yes--Jesus was resurrected on the 1st day of the week--on Sabbath He rested! And where does it say that we are now to honor Sunday over the written command of God to keep the 7th day?
It doesn't say they were gathered to worship instead of on Sunday--they were gathered for fear of the Jews. It says evening--which at evening is the beginning of Mon. (Jewish days were counted from evening to evening.) Ist day of the week is from sundown Saturday night to sundown Sunday night. At sundown Sunday night, starts the 2nd day of the week, Mon. This does not say they were celebrating the resurrection--it says they were gathered together for fear of the Jews, that's why the door were locked. Doesn't say a thing about celebrating anything nor that Sunday is now the day of worship.
I quoted her only because you brought her up---I had never mentioned her. So far, you are the only one quoting her and frequently--but you have not answered where all those who kept the 7th day Sabbath long before there was an EGW got their information from.
The bible nowhere says we are to attend church on the 1st day of the week.
BTW---the first people to state that the beast in Revelation was the pope were Catholics priests way back since long before Martin Luther.
Arnulf, archbishop of Reims disagreed with the policies and morals of Pope John XV. He expressed his views while presiding over the Council of Reims in A.D. 991. Arnulf accused John XV of being the Antichrist while also using the 2 Thessalonians passage about the "man of lawlessness" (or "lawless one"), saying: "Surely, if he is empty of charity and filled with vain knowledge and lifted up, he is Antichrist sitting in God's temple and showing himself as God." This incident is history's earliest record of anyone identifying a pope with the Antichrist (see Christian Historicism).[34]
My dear friend. How can you or anyone distance yourself from the person from which YOUR religion springs from???
YOUR theology is from Mrs. White and she is a false prophet. Because she was a false prophet you are tied to her whether you want to admit it or not.
One of the most blatant false prophecies she made was when she predicted before the American Civil war, that the Union would not be preserved but that the United States would be divided, slavery would not be abolished but England would intervene and declare war on the United States.
Mr. Miller was also a false prophet. The event of 1844 was a tragedy for the SDA but like all the others it was just swept under the rug and ignored.
BINGO........The teaching of vegetarianism came from Ellen White.
The text of Genesis 1–2 unfolds God’s creative work and its completion in six days, followed by God’s rest. The movement climaxes with God’s resting. It may be a fitting pattern for humanity to follow, but the text contains no suggestion of some universal moral obligation for humanity to keep the Sabbath.
Christ released us from the Sabbath. His finished work on the cross abolished the entire Mosaic law of ordinances, which includes the Sabbath commandment. Only nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament. The reason for this is significant. The fourth commandment was part of the Jewish law system, which Paul called “the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us” (Col. 2:14)
Each mention of the Sabbath in Acts, however, merely confirms that the Jews still observed that day. Not once is it reported in Acts that Christian believers assembled on the Sabbath. The only reference to the Sabbath in the New Testament after Acts is Colossians 2:16, where Paul told believers they are not under bondage to Jewish dietary restrictions or the Sabbath.
Really--you think God needed to rest? Was He tired?
2 and~he~will~much~FINISH(V) (וַיְכַל / wai'khal) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) in~the~DAY (בַּיּוֹם / ba'yom) the~SEVENTH (הַשְּׁבִיעִי / hash'vi'i) BUSINESS~him (מְלַאכְתּוֹ / mê'lakh'to) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~DO(V) (עָשָׂה / a'sah) and~he~will~CEASE(V) (וַיִּשְׁבֹּת / wai'yish'bot) in~the~DAY (בַּיּוֹם / ba'yom) the~SEVENTH (הַשְּׁבִיעִי / hash'vi'i) from~ALL (מִכָּל / mi'kol) BUSINESS~him (מְלַאכְתּוֹ / mê'lakh'to) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~DO(V) (עָשָׂה / a'sah)
RMT: and Elohiym finished in the seventh day his business which he did, and he ceased in the seventh day from all his business which he did,
3 and~he~will~much~KNEEL(V) (וַיְבָרֶךְ / wai'va'rekh) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) AT (אֶת / et) DAY (יוֹם / yom) the~SEVENTH (הַשְּׁבִיעִי / hash'vi'i) and~he~will~much~SET.APART(V) (וַיְקַדֵּשׁ / wai'qa'deysh) AT~him (אֹתוֹ / o'to) GIVEN.THAT (כִּי / ki) in~~him (בוֹ / vo) he~did~CEASE(V) (שָׁבַת / sha'vat) from~ALL (מִכָּל / mi'kol) BUSINESS~him (מְלַאכְתּוֹ / mê'lakh'to) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~SHAPE(V) (בָּרָא / ba'ra) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) to~>~DO(V) (לַעֲשׂוֹת / la'a'sot)
RMT: and Elohiym exalted the seventh day and he set him apart, given that in him he ceased from all of his business which Elohiym shaped to make.
The Torah: Genesis 2
The original word is not rest--but cease---He ceased doing what He was doing, He had finished creation. What do you think He meant by He exalted that day?
The Disciples Kept the Sabbath
85 Times in the book of Acts
There are many scriptures that verify the Sabbath day being the 7th day of the week. All throughout the 'New testament', the first day of the week is called "The first day of the week" and the 7th day of the week is called "The Sabbath". This fact alone should prove when the Sabbath truly is.
However, let us examine the pattern of the disciples after Yahushua's resurrection in the book of acts to determine what day that they attended Sabbath Services and what day they expected others to observe. We will keep a count of how many times the Sabbath is observed.
We see one example in Acts 17:1...
Acts 17:1 (NKJV) Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Messiah had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and [saying], "This Yahushua whom I preach to you is the Messiah." Acts 17:4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.
Here we see that Paul went to a Sabbath service where there were both Jews and Greeks. The scripture also mentions that this was a regular custom of Paul. Was this also the custom of Yahushua the Messiah?
Luke 4:16 (NKJV) So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
So here we can see that 22 years after Yahushua's death and resurrection the disciples were attending Sabbath services. In no place do we see Paul or any other disciple teaching them that they should come back the next day for a 'first day of the week' service. But they went to three Sabbath services where there were both Jews and Greeks present. So then the doctrine that says the Jews have their day (the 7th day) and the Gentiles have their day (the 1st day) is foreign to scripture.
Some would argue that Paul was at the synagogue only because that is where he would find people to witness to...not to observe the Sabbath. But the scripture does not say that. This is an assumption that those who refuse the simplicity of the scriptures want to make, not one that the scriptures support. Again, the Seventh Day is called "The Sabbath day" in this passage.
So lets see where we are at now..
Seventh day - 3 First day - 0
Another example is found in Acts 13...
Acts 13:13 (NKJV) Now when Paul and his party set sail from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia; and John, departing from them, returned to Jerusalem. Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, "Men [and] brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on."
So here is another example where Paul and the other disciples came to the Synagogue in Perga to attend the Sabbath Service.
Seventh day - 4 First day - 0
A little later in the chapter, after Paul shares Yahushua with them we see that the Gentiles were quite interested.
Acts 13:42 (NKJV) So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Now here is a perfect situation for Paul to tell these Gentiles "Hey just come back tomorrow, we keep the Sabbath on the first day now!" But we don't see this written anywhere in scripture.
Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of Yahweh Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of Yahweh.
So here is the fifth time that the disciples attended a Sabbath service on the day that Yahweh sanctified at creation. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage.
Seventh day - 5 First day - 0
Here is another example in Acts 16...
Acts 16:11 (NKJV) Therefore, sailing from Troas, we ran a straight course to Samothrace, and the next [day] came to Neapolis, Acts 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days. Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met [there].
It was the custom of the Jews of that day for the rabbi to shut down the synagogue if there were not at least 10 men that would show up for the Sabbath meeting. This could very well be why there were women meeting by the riverside for prayer. Nevertheless, we see that the disciples sought a place to meet for the Sabbath and they did. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath Day" in this passage.
Seventh day - 6 First day - 0
Acts 18:1 (NKJV) After these things Paul departed from Athens and went to Corinth. Acts 18:2 And he found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla (because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome); and he came to them. Acts 18:3 So, because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them and worked; for by occupation they were tentmakers. Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
So we see that he worked on the other days as a tentmaker...but on the Sabbath He was not. And here again we see that both Jews and Greeks are in the synagogue and on the Sabbath. Paul also is among them attending the Sabbath services. The interesting thing about this verse is that instead of the scripture saying that they attended only one or three sabbath services, it says that he was there every Sabbath persuading both Jews and Greeks. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage so we know that we can at least count one. Let's do that..
Seventh day - 7 First day - 0
Now if Paul was in Corinth and was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath, if we could find out how long he stayed in Corinth then we would know how many Sabbaths he actually attended. Let's look furthur..
Acts 18:5 (NKJV) When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews [that] Yahushua [is] the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook [his] garments and said to them, "Your blood [be] upon your [own] heads; I [am] clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles." 7 And he departed from there and entered the house of a certain [man] named Justus, [one] who worshiped God, whose house was next door to the synagogue. 8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Master with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized. 9 Now the Master spoke to Paul in the night by a vision, "Do not be afraid, but speak, and do not keep silent; 10 "for I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I have many people in this city." 11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
A year and six months! Finally the ruler of the synagogue was converted to Yahushua and Paul was there a year and six months! So the scripture says that Paul was there every Sabbath and that he was there for a year and six months. If we counted this by our present calendar that would give us 52 Sabbaths in a year plus 26 Sabbaths in the following six months which gives us a total of 78 Sabbaths! Now lets add this to our present total:
Seventh Day - 85 First day - 0
So we can see that the disciples observed the Sabbath and attended a Sabbath service 85 times in the book of acts alone! Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage.
Now how many times do we see them meeting together on the first day? Some would cite one example in Acts 20. Let's examine the text...
Acts 20:6 (NKJV) But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days. Acts 20:7 Now on the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
Here we see an example of the disciples gathering together on the first day of the week. There is no mention of a Sabbath being observed in this verse. Nowhere is this day called "The Sabbath". In fact, we know that Paul was ready to depart the next day. According to verse 7, Paul spoke to them a message because for this very reason.
Now some would say that coming together to 'break bread' constitutes a meeting that includes the observance of partaking in Yahushua's body. But this is not true...consider this verse:
Acts 2:44 (NKJV) Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. 46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising Yahweh and having favor with all the people. And Yahweh added to the assembly daily those who were being saved.
According to this scripture, breaking bread was not an uncommon thing to do on a daily basis. It was one of the customs in those days to eat their 'daily bread'. Even in Yahushua's prayer He said "Give us this day our daily bread".
So we cannot confirm that this scripture in Acts 20 is a Sabbath day observance. In fact, nowhere does it say that the first day of the week is the Sabbath. But the 7th day of the week is always called "the Sabbath" in the 'new testament.' Unless you don't believe in the New Testament, you would have to conclude that this was not a Sabbath meeting. So what was it really? Many may not realize that in scripture, a new day begins at sundown. This would mean that at sundown on 'Saturday', the first day of the week begins. This was most probably an 'after Sabbath' fellowship meal where Paul continued to speak until midnight because he wanted to get as much teaching in as possible before he departed the next day.
Nevertheless some will hang onto this one verse so that they don't have to forsake tradition and keep the true Sabbath. But you can search the scriptures from Genesis to Revelations and you will not find a single verse that says His Sabbath was changed to a different day. There is not a single verse that tells us that the Ten Commandments are not to be kept. And there is not a single verse that prophesied either of these two events occurring! In fact, the scriptures declare the seventh day to be the Sabbath in the Law, in the words of the prophets, in the writings about Yahushua and in the acts of the apostles as well as in the scriptures that speak of Yahweh's kingdom. Therefore that final tally will remain at:
Seventh Day - 85 | First day - 0
There is also evidence that the early disciples kept the Sabbath on the true day:
"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;.therefore the Christians for a long time together, did keep their conventions on the Sabbath, in which some portion of the Law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." The Whole Works of Jeremey Taylor, Vol. IX, p416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol.XII, p.416)
"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observation of Saturday, or the seventh day..It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assemblies on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship [Yahushua], the [Master] of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." Antiquities of the Christian Church, Vol. II, Book XX, chap. 3, Sec. 1, 66.1137, 1138
"Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does,' " Heylyn, The History of the Sabbath, 1613
Constantine later enforced keeping a Sabbath on the first day of the week, which he calls "the venerable day of the sun." Venerable means 'commanding respect'.
The text of Constantine's Sunday Law of 321 A.D. is:
"One the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."
This doesn't even really sound like Yahweh's Sabbath which forbids any kind of work at all on His day!
Later, those who observed the Sabbath were persecuted and killed by the Catholic church. When the Jesuit St. Francis Xavier arrived in India he immediately requested to the pope to set up the Inquisition there.
"The Jewish wickedness" of which Xavier complained was evidently the Sabbath-keeping among those native Christians as we shall see in our next quotation. When one of these Sabbath-keeping Christians was taken by the Inquisition he was accused of having *Judaized*; which means having conformed to the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law; such as not eating pork, hare, fish without scales, of having attended the solemnization of the Sabbath." Account of the Inquisition at Goa, Dellon, p.56. London, 1815
"Of an hundred persons condemned to be burnt as Jews, there are scarcely four who profess that faith at their death; the rest exclaiming and protesting to their last gasp that they are Christians, and have been so during their whole lives." Ibid p.64
Today, some of the leading Baptists even have admitted that the Sunday Sabbath isn't in the scriptures:
"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not on Sunday...It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week....where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament. Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of a sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!" Dr. Edward Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual
The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in Acts
Oh, never know....NO ONE ever reads stuff like you just copied and pasted.
You have not answered my question! Where did those who kept the 7th day Sabbath before she even existed get their believe from? Straight from the bible!
I wouldn't think of distancing myself from EGW---I tried that for over 25 years. I wanted nothing to do with God in any way shape or form--I was angry at Him and verbally told Him to leave me alone that I was quite willing to go to hell. I even dabbled in the occult and had my own Tarot cards. God did not listen to me. When I decided to come back to God--but not to SDA--I and went searching through every religion out there. I almost went for Church of God (of Herbert Armstrong )--due to having fallen for some man who was looking for someone who believed as he did---I read the whole book and couldn't believe in several things---and walked away from it. In the end, I came back as this is the only one that follows the bible the closest.
You are free to believe whatever you want--bottom line is---there is not one verse in the entire bible that says Sunday is now the day of worship. You have not provided one. Your believe is based on nothing but the word of man. Nothing but Catholicism that brought it into existence--without that, you'd never even have heard of it.
You do not even have your facts straight--Mr. Miller was not an SDA--there were no SDA's at that time. Mr. Miller was a part of a world wide message that was going around from Africa to South America and here. We did not start to form until after 1845 and did not become a church until 1866. There was nothing to sweep under the rug, and certainly never ignored!!--the math of Mr. Miller was accurate, the event was wrong--and the cleansing of the sanctuary was not the earth that was cleansed---for that they (those founding father's of which EGW was one)had to go back to what the sanctuary services were all about.
That is only partially right.
Vegetarianism has been around for a very long time. Some historians date it back to Ancient Greek philosophers, and religious sects of Buddhism and Hinduism have encouraged vegetarianism for hundreds of years. However, the word itself came into common usage in the 1830s.
Where did the word "vegan" come from? - Everything After Z by Dictionary.com
Yes--she was given that light and it has proven to be correct and today there are more vegetarians outside the church then there are SDA's. Study after study has shown the SDA's live longer and healthier lives. Vegetarianism existed as early as creation itself--and will be the diet of the new earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
One thing I do ask--If you are going to bring her up, instead of your pronouncements of what she teaches, I would prefer that you continue to post quotes from her writings instead of your personal
opinion---which has very few actual facts.
Yes--Jesus was resurrected on the 1st day of the week--on Sabbath He rested! And where does it say that we are now to honor Sunday over the written command of God to keep the 7th day?
It doesn't say they were gathered to worship instead of on Sunday--they were gathered for fear of the Jews. It says evening--which at evening is the beginning of Mon. (Jewish days were counted from evening to evening.) Ist day of the week is from sundown Saturday night to sundown Sunday night. At sundown Sunday night, starts the 2nd day of the week, Mon. This does not say they were celebrating the resurrection--it says they were gathered together for fear of the Jews, that's why the door were locked. Doesn't say a thing about celebrating anything nor that Sunday is now the day of worship.
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