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Yes--I acknowledged that and that doesn't change the meaning of any of it at all. And it doesn't say ARM as you say--it says HAND. But--as you see--it is a simple mistake that anyone can make! Doesn't change the meaning.
The Sabbath was made for man--not for God--God doesn't need the rest. There is no confusion and even when it was repeated on Mt Sinai--God said --Remember--they had been in Egypt for over 400 years and needed to be reminded of many things. The Sabbath was already in affect before Mt Sinai as the manna came before the mount and it was withheld every Sabbath. The Sabbath is no more strictly for the Jew than any of the other 10--did the commands to not murder apply only to the Jew--how about adultery--only to the Jew? Stealing--only to the Jew? Not taking His name in vain--Only to the Jew?? God said in Exodus again that the Sabbath was in commemoration of His creation.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
When you read the New Testament you may not notice a transition. The Gospel at first is thoroughly Jewish, the early believers met at the temple in Jerusalem. As time goes by the believers met in houses and not at the temple.
Then the Gospel goes to the Gentiles many years after Pentecost. This created some confusion of course among the Jewish believers.
What are the legal requirements for the Gentiles? Are Gentiles under the written law?
If you read Acts 15 carefully, we see that this issue was dealt with. Avoid sexual immorality and do not offend the Jews with your dietary habits.
If Acts 15 had said, the Gentiles must obey the law, then you would have a valid argument.
Gentiles were never told they were under the law, in fact, Gentiles are told numerous times that they are not under the law.
The text in Genesis is not written law! There is no repetition of a law, your saying that in Genesis there existed a written Sabbath law. That is not correct, God rested on the seventh day, and no legal instruction for anyone to rest.The Sabbath was made for man--not for God--God doesn't need the rest. There is no confusion and even when it was repeated on Mt Sinai
That is all correct. But we do not live 4000 years ago under the Law.
The Law can not be kept!
The Law did not save because the Law was never given to save.
Keeping the Sabbath will not save us, being circumsized will not save us, not eating pork will not save us.
Jesus Rose from the dead on the 3rd day......SUNDAY to save us my friend.
We are NOT saved by Law keeping but only by Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Does that then mean we are to discard all of God's laws. NO!
It just means that we are not condeemed by that thing which we cannot do.
Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience.Of course the Gentiles are not under the law--no one is, including the Jewish converts---that was plain as Jesus at the cross made all the sacrificial sacrifices no longer necessary as He is both the Sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. All the priestly laws were done away with. Circumcision was never a apart of the 10 commandments. Hebrew's is pretty clear about Jesus now is our High Priest and those laws are no longer binding as He is the fulfillment of them.
Your so confused.
The text in Genesis is not written law! There is no repetition of a law, your saying that in Genesis there existed a written Sabbath law. That is not correct, God rested on the seventh day, and no legal instruction for anyone to rest.
Your confusing written law with general moral law. They are not the same entities.
You cannot accuse a Gentile of idolatry, when a Gentile did not know the God of Exodus. The only people under the law were the people that God led out of Egypt. Your trying to tell me that the Egyptians were under the law?
Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience.
Jesus is not a high priest for a Gentile, only a Jew could have a high priest. The context of Hebrews will not allow you to extend the Jewish law onto Gentiles.
Circumcision was introduced to Abraham and is required in the law of Mt Sinai. A Jew will be circumcised and there never was any question about that. Gentiles not being under the law were never required to circumcised.
More importantly, not one letter of the law will fail unless all has been accomplished by Jesus.
Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
If the letter of the law regarding circumcision has passed, then the law itself is redundant. Because not one letter of the law can fall, unless all the law has fallen.
That is all correct. But we do not live 4000 years ago under the Law.
The Law can not be kept!
The Law did not save because the Law was never given to save.
Keeping the Sabbath will not save us, being circumsized will not save us, not eating pork will not save us.
Jesus Rose from the dead on the 3rd day......SUNDAY to save us my friend.
We are NOT saved by Law keeping but only by Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Does that then mean we are to discard all of God's laws. NO!
It just means that we are not condeemed by that thing which we cannot do.
So much controversy about Sabbath keeping, so please explain;
Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.
God bless you !
It actually does not matter what anyone of the SDA's say here, the bottom line to their denominational choice .
So much controversy about Sabbath keeping, so please explain;
Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.
You seem confused.
The Jewish Sabbath is a day of rest, it is not identified in the scripture as a day of worship.
So much controversy about Sabbath keeping, so please explain;
Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.
It is sad to me to see so many people led astray and confused about such simple things.
Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience. .
I was referring to the letter to the Hebrews!until you read the actual NT text to see how often the Hebrew text is quoted for gentiles - hint Eph 6:2
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Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience. .
I was referring to the letter to the Hebrews!
Nothing we do can save us--we are saved by grace---
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
until you read the actual NT text to see how often the Hebrew text is quoted for gentiles - hint Eph 6:2
Sabbath KEEPING -
Is 58:13 do not engage in any secular activity
Ex 20:8-11 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" a day of rest not secular work.
Ex 16 "Tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- the very day.
Lev 23;1-3 a day of "Solemn assembly" and "holy Convocation".
Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.
Lev 23 "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath"
Isaiah 56:6-7 gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" where those commandments are the ones where "the fifth commandment is first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
Done.
Creative writing not withstanding - I am sticking with the Bible
The law does not save us, faith does.
Faith does not make the law invalid. We obey the law because of our faith.
TRYING to obey the law is a by-product of being saved by grace.
NO ONE I know has ever said that because we are saved we can throw away the Laws of God and sin, and sin and sin.
That is just silly. We try to keep the Law because WE ARE SAVED but BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS BY NATURE, WE CAN NOT KEEP THE LAW!!!!!
You said...……..
"Creative writing not withstanding - I am sticking with the Bible ".
PRAISE THE LORD. Now when is that actually going to begin?????????
You as an Adventists seem totally unaware that yopur founder, made a trip to heaven, and only then, did she learn that the Sabbath was not abolished. (In spite of what Col 2:14-16 says!) In fact Adventists must swear to accept Ellen White as an inspired prophet at their baptism or they can't even become a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church! Further, Adventists actually borrowed the practice of Sabbath keeping from the Seventh-day Baptists. Only then did Ellen White get her inspired vision!
So you see, no matter what the Bibles about the Sabbath being nailed to the cross, Adventists won't believe what the Bible says if it contradicts their inspired prophet Ellen G. White. Ellen G. White was a false prophet: Colossians 2:18 "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by... taking his (her) stand on visions he (she) has seen inflated without cause by his (Ellen White's) fleshly mind".
Ellen G. White recorded under "inspiration" what she saw in heaven...…..
"In the ark was the golden pot of manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of stone, which folded together like a book. Jesus opened them, and I saw the Ten Commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were Four and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious a halo of glory was all around it. I SAW THAT THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT WAS NOT NAILED TO THE CROSS. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to break them all as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for he never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh day to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws."
Source: ("Early Writings of Ellen G. White," page 33.) Again on page 65 of the same book Mrs. White says, "The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first day."
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