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This is an example of what is commonly called a 'deepity', giving the impression of profundity while being entirely hollow and content-free.
It's a more precise description - a particular kind of 'pool spit'Back when I was a lad, we just called it something that rhymes with "pool spit".
I guess "deepity" works better for the forums.
It's a more precise description - a particular kind of 'pool spit'
What happened to that awe filled wonder you were going on about?
You sound particularly more jaded when you stop preaching...
which is your real self?
The self-aggrandizing preacher sputtering on about the same mythical stories of her forefathers?
Or the jaded know-it-all who dismisses evidence of anything that disproves her beliefs?
I'm sure my mind can find a way to meld the two into a somewhat accurate picture of your self.
Point taken. Perhaps sometimes there's so much spit in the pool that a little accuracy goes a long way in describing it.
lol - I thought you were skipping over what you can only understand as preaching...
That is why repentance from self is preached -
I thought you knew...
Can't have one without the other...
"What's a girl to do?" was functioning as a figure of speech...
Repentance is prior to ascent...
I am fully aware of the evils in fallen human nature, that's all...
No chance, but you can keep trying...
It is the ascent part that will prove the stumbler...
But the cross will prove more anathematic...
Something about embracing suffering that stumbles secular understanding...
Arsenios
As long as you admit it.I only have time now for addressing one point at this time:
Sorry, but the reason that you feel you are talking to a wall...is because you are. We can indeed have a conversation as two equal travelers on the way. But when we reach the wall (the Rock of salvation) I am immovable, a part of the Rock. At which point, things are no longer a discussion. Do you not know that this is the nature of Truth? And if you have any intention of seeking truth - why does it surprise you that I would speak this way?
So, then, should Truth be untrue, so that it is received by those who do not know truth? No - I will not. Perhaps you have read of Him who lowered Himself for just such a purpose - but that time has past, and will not come again. Come or stay - you must choose.
When the meek inherit the Earth, one wonders how long they'll be able to hang onto it...... Stay meek...maybe one day you'll "inherit" the earth.
You would need a thin understanding of reality to think your religion holds some monopoly on "awe and wonder".
Actually, I do know why denial of self, repentance from self, denial of desire is a part of your religion and so many more. It's to keep you docile, lower, and content with less than those who preach to you.
What did you think it was for?
Sarcasm in figures of speech doesn't translate well into text. It's a common mistake...don't worry about it.
I can see why they'd want you to believe that. Breaking down people by exposing their flaws always makes them more malleable to one's lies. Expose basic human weakness, tell them that you hold the solution for such weaknesses, rebuild them as you like.
You've followed their plan to a T haven't you?
Funny how when you step back apart from the whole dog and pony show...there's no real difference between "fallen human nature" and just "human nature" is there? Stay meek...maybe one day you'll "inherit" the earth.
No doubt there's some things about you I don't know...
but your reliance upon preaching where you lack any evidence or logic tells me all I need to know.
Lies you tell yourself.You don't have anything to offer.
"Embracing suffering" is a great thing to preach to those who suffer.
Why struggle against it? Embrace it, lay down, accept defeatism.
Seems to me there is - one is a search for truth, and one is a search for justification.There is no difference between a reality-quest and the God-Quest...
I figure that a personality liable to switch unpredictably between opposite poles of strongly and confidently held beliefs, feelings, and emotions in that way, should should not be surprised if it happens again...The next 14 years I KNEW I was NOT a Christian...
I didn't even LIKE Christians...
I would go out of my way to avoid them...
I mean, it was a big yuck!
When God told me He is the Christian God, I was scandalized...
And He took me into the Orthodox Christian Faith...
Go figure!
After reading the post below this one I've decided my idea my not be correct and have withdrawn it.
What some recognize, is you write a lot of words, make a lot of claims and can't back them up with anything except; because you say so.
I wouldn't go that far. That is the philosophical conundrum behind this exchange: what if he had something that anyone should listen to?At the end of the day, Scott isn't saying anything that anyone should listen to at all...
And that is the problem. Scott of course can and will dispute the other person's claims... because of his "knowledge". Which is fine for him.What Scott really needs to understand a that anyone else with claims that contradict his own can use the same tactics that he does, and Scott can't dispute the other person's claims to anyone.
The object of my statement was eternal life. If you have no need for it - so be it.Last I checked I am not in need to rely on you of all completely (not even at all).
There is One who is your teacher, and you have refused Him just as you have refused me. I could be your teacher, but you think too much of yourself to allow it.And not only do you not even try to understand your opposite... you aren't even listening to what we say.
"Now, as a teacher, I am sure you have resorted to such comments, as: "Take my word for it", "Because I said so", "You had to be there", or "You'll get your chance"...all born out of the very real need to go beyond the realm of the student's ability to relate to the subject matter.
You are sure I did that... just after I said:"...if I were just to assert my state of "knowledge", demanded that my students acceped what I tell them "because I know", were completely unable to demonstrate my knowledge [...] then I would be weak, desperate and condescending."
A teacher tries to make his student understand, not repeat soundbites. A good teacher knows how to present his "knowledge" so that the student can relate. A really good teacher knows how to motivate his student, even when the student is reluctent to learn.
A good teacher never blames the student for not learning, for not understanding. A good teacher blames himself for not being effective enough in teaching.
That is only true until you are desperate.A "subject matter" that needs to resort to authoritarian blind faith isn't worthy of being seriously considered.
Only truth is afforded such a privilege.You are willing to discard each and every conflicting view based on your "knowledge". So accept that others do the same.
If the insight is of no interest to you, ignore it.What some recognize, is you write a lot of words, make a lot of claims and can't back them up with anything except; because you say so.
So everyone who needs eternal life must rely on you, ScottA, completely?The object of my statement was eternal life. If you have no need for it - so be it.
You have not been left in the dark, but you refusing the light - changes everything.Walls aren't very responsive. Walls aren't very communicative at all. Walls aren't good at leading people, or being "a light to the world".
I have answered, and will say it again:But how is anybody else to distinguish between competing claims? That is the question he cannot answer, and that is the missing answer that makes his whole system of claims come tumbling down.
Any system that claims to promote "the truth", and cannot provide a method to achive this truth other than pure randomness must fail.
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