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I didn't say anything about imagining, you did.I read it again. If I imagine that unidentified flying objects are actually extraterrestrial aliens visiting Earth, it does not establish that as reality, or as a possibility. How does that not compare to your statement?
LOL. You can conclude that the self-blindfolded will always claim "imagination" when the sighted speak about what they see.I do not claim to know what you believe in, but if you cannot, in some way, demonstrate that it is more than something you have simply imagined, what else am I to conclude?
==== Where did I say the Christian God? I just said, by the logic, one God. This could be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or other. Why not other gods? Because more than one ultimate is a contradiction. My "neutral" is logic.So what justifies using belief in the Christian God as the "starting point"? Why not belief in the gods of the Hindus or the Romans or that cult that popped up last week in Peoria? Or, better yet, why not take a neutral position, waiting until the evidence supporting each can be evaluated? This is what atheists do. You haven't made a compelling argument for a different approach.
As far as I can see, your reasons are entirely prudential. But unless you have a personal genie at your disposal, reality does not conform to your wishes or desires.
To be clear: I see what I see and know what I know. You can claim some sort of omnipitance to claim otherwise, but that's just the blindfold talking.Claim to see, to be clear.
I do not dispute that you believe you see or know these things.To be clear: I see what I see and know what I know.
I do not make that claim. I am asking, how am I to know that you have not simply imagined this thing that you believe in? Can you not address this question?You can claim some sort of omnipitance to claim otherwise, but that's just the blindfold talking.
Sure I can. But you obviously have your mind made up. You mock what you don't respect or even know anything about. You're not interested in what or why I believe, you're only interested in attempting to disprove it, which is impossible. That's what antitheists do, they argue. For the open minded there's plenty of discussion, but why discuss colors with the willfully blind?I do not dispute what you claim to see or know.
I do not make that claim. I am asking, how am I to know that you have not simply imagined this thing that you believe in? Can you not address this question?
We live our lives through experience and we evaluate things based on how good we think they will be for us.There was a thread a while back entitled "Belief not a choice?" and several atheists in that thread insisted that people only come to believe things by evaluating evidence. So I thought I'd extend that into a syllogism and see if it floats.
1. People only come to believe something by evaluating evidence.
2. People who are Christians believe that God exists.
3. Therefore, People who are Christians only came to believe that God exists by evaluating evidence.
Is the above a sound argument? If not, why not?
Psalm 81:12I am asking, how am I to know that you have not simply imagined this thing that you believe in?
You are telling me what I am thinking? Did you buy one of those cheap gadgets at mall?Psalm 81:12
"So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices."
I believe that even if Jesus gave you something that undeniably said Jesus is God, you would deny it because you cant deny who you are.
You can not deny your persona and who you are and if you aren't someone who will follow Jesus then it doesn't matter what you see, hear, touch or feel. You're going to disbelieve it for your own sake.
No, I am repeating what you're saying.You are telling me what I am thinking? Did you buy one of those cheap gadgets at mall?
I would ask for your money back on that thing.
You have nothing to flip back at me.Not hardly! I flip your comment back at you. The whole point is "ignorance".
So, you're waiting for (physical, scientific) evidence of God? Good luck! But I'm always optimistic -- maybe God'll knock you down like Paul, or completely out, before you believe? Or, are you just too stubborn for even this?
Except where you were telling me - quite inaccurately - what I was thinking.No, I am repeating what you're saying.
I can't. Why should I? Do you take at face value claims of extraterrestrial alien visitations, or stories of Bigfoot?You're saying that you cant take his word on its own standing. At least thats what I'm getting everytime you ask how are you to know he simply didnt imagine God.
It does not. I ask the same question as it was not directly answered the first time. It is his choice to answer, evade, or ignore.Unless you mean that your personality has nothing to do with why you ask the same question?
You can say it, but if you persist I would say that attacking another member's character would be in violation of this site's rules.but with a reply like the one you've given me here, I'd say it most assuredly has to do with your personality.
I had not considered that option. I explore reality, and on this site I learn about religious people.And now that the chances of us being on the same page are really good, maybe you can answer a question?
Could it be that you just dont want to be a Christian?
You sound like someone who has absolutely no experience in life.Except where you were telling me - quite inaccurately - what I was thinking.
I can't. Why should I? Do you take at face value claims of extraterrestrial alien visitations, or stories of Bigfoot?
It does not. I ask the same question as it was not directly answered the first time. It is his choice to answer, evade, or ignore.
You can say it, but if you persist I would say that attacking another member's character would be in violation of this site's rules.
I had not considered that option. I explore reality, and on this site I learn about religious people.
Sure.No. Why would that make a difference?
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