God knows who the Saints are. He called them to Himself before they were yet born. He measures them out knowing the secrets of their heart and the things they have done that have not been witnessed by others.
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I am speaking of humans. I do not care one iota of standard Christian belief. Israel believed 10 and spent 40 years in the wilderness for rejecting Joshua and Caleb. The power of orthodoxy. The book of Revelation in its entirity is yet future.
thank you so much
you are my dear sister in Christ and you have put my thoughts into words very well
Thank you; you are more than kind.But you put your thoughts into words well enough yourself, R, for anyone who understands what our faith teaches.
And for those who don't; this part of the forum is for Christians only; it might be as well not to stray too far from Nicene, which affirms the communion of saints. Just a thought.
I have never in my life put the term "saint" in front of anyone's name until now. Do you know why? It is to show that the rcc does not designate him a saint for obvious reasons. Many assume too much and elevate themselves and is the same as being a self-appointed vicar. Only God determines those who merit salvation.
Nobody merits salvation.
Just saying.
If you could find the connecting thoughts between those sentences I might be able to make some sense of them.
But probably not, given that you do not care about standard Christian belief, and I do.
There it is. I lost that post.
We do not base judgment on a standard Christian belief. I base my belief on the solid Rock of Truth and not the shifting sands of human speculation. We take God at His Word.
12 spies went into the land and the "standard belief" was based on the majority (10). As a result Israel spent 40 years in the wilderness.
There are many "creeds" out there. Best to be careful of which one we cite as a "standard".
I am indeed careful; I am careful to uphold the Nicene Creed.
Accepting the Nicene Creed is essential for Christians on this forum. If you do not subscribe to it, then you should not be posting in the 'Christians only' part, no matter how much you huff and puff about solid rocks of truth.
Good luck with that.
There are many creeds out there. Be careful as to the one you cite as 'standard' .
Good luck with that.
The Bible says that we are all saints if we are a Child of God.
God knows who the Saints are. He called them to Himself before they were yet born. He measures them out knowing the secrets of their heart and the things they have done that have not been witnessed by others.
One must be born again and washed in the blood of Jesus to become a saint. Works does not make one a saint. God does through His Son and His Spirit. Everyone that is in Christ is a Saint. This would include Martin Luther.
Is there some point of the Nicene creed with which you disagree?
This is non standard Christian belief. Christ is NOT the only inhabitant of eternity. He is surrounded by the whole company of heaven; angels, archangels, principalities, powers, dominions etc, and saints.
See the Book of Revelation, inter alia, for further details.
i see you evaded my question. Bye.
Are we sure we understand what is stated in creeds? Has "tradition" skewed the intent?
Satan works best inside the church.
Yes, it is a pity that rules can sometimes get in the way, but they are a necessary evil.
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