One reason I like YLT is, that it uses those words in that Bible version.....
http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
LUKE 16:23
"And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."
In contrast to Lazarus,
the rich man was
buried in Hades.
An understanding of the original meaning of the Greek word
hades is necessary to grasp the message of the parable. Regarding the possible etymology of this word, the
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states that
hades ". . . comes from
idein (to see) with the negative prefix,
a-, and so would mean the invisible . . . In the LXX
hades occurs more than 100 times, in the majority of instances to translate Heb.
she'ol, the underworld which receives all the dead.
What did Yeshua mean by saying here that
the rich man was in "torments in Hades"? The key to discovering the symbolic meaning of this verse is the Greek noun
basanois, translated "torments" above.
According to Friberg's
Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament,
basanois, which is a form of the noun
basanos, means "strictly,
a touchstone for testing the genuineness of metals by rubbing against it . . ."
The etymology of
basanos found in Kittel's
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament is very helpful in correctly understanding this verse:
In this verse,
basanois simply conveys a sense of testing and proving through punishment. When this understanding is combined with a proper discernment of the symbolism of Hades, we can begin to see the point Yeshua is making. As a whole, the House of Judah would to be cut off and replaced during this current age by those from the nations who in faith would accept the sacrifice of the Messiah.
Basanois also means to toss or to vex and was used in Matthew 14 to describe disciples boat being tossed by the waves. This relates to James 1:6 "But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind." So basanois can mean to doubt and being double-minded versus having faith.
It appears there are various forms of the greek word for "torment/s" in the NT. Would make for an interesting thread IMHO.......
929. basanismos bas-an-is-mos' from 928; torture:--torment.
931. basanos bas'-an-os perhaps remotely from the same as
939 (through the notion of going to the bottom); a touch-stone, i.e. (by analogy) torture:--torment.
928. basanizo bas-an-id'-zo from 931; to torture:--pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.
939. basis bas'-ece from baino (to walk); a pace ("base"), i.e. (by implication) the foot:--foot.
Luke 16:23
And in the hades, lifting up His eyes, existing in torments/basanoiV <931>, he is seeing Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in the Bosoms of him.
Reve 14:
10 And he is drinking out of the wine of the fury of the God, of the having been blended undiluted in the drink cup of the wrath of Him and he shall be being tormented in fire and sulfur in sight of messengers, holy, and in sight of the lambkin.
11 And the Smoke of the tormenting/basanismou <929> of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having rest Day and Night.............
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW7.htm
TORMENTED IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB
.............Ah, the torment comes not from the Lamb. The torment lies within the bosoms of the tormented. The Scripture does not say that the Lamb torments them! If you think it does, you are mistaken. It states that THEY ARE TORMENTED IN THE PRESENCE of the Lamb.
What a thought! TORMENTED IN THE PRESENCE. The Lamb is merely present. He does not torment. The condition is within themselves........
THE LAKE OF FIRE
I believe every word that the Bible says about the lake of fire; I don't believe what Rome says about it, nor what the apostate Churches say about it, nor what tradition says about it; but I certainly believe what the Bible says about it.
The teaching concerning the lake of fire does not appear anywhere in Scripture except in the book of Revelation where it is spoken of in the following passages: Rev. 14:10-11; 19:20; 20:10; 20:13-15 and 21:8. This last passage definitely states, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." There should be no question remaining as to the certainty of this lake of fire; neither should there be any doubt as to the awful consequence of having to be cast into it. These Scriptures with their dreadful foreboding should be a fearful warning to all unthinking and foolish people who, because of their love for the world, the flesh, and the devil, have dared to ask why we should serve God now if all are going to be saved eventually. Such people have no love for God nor fear of God, and they manifest by what they say that their professed serving of God is only a pretense, arising - not from any true love for Him - but from fear of punishment. If there were no prospect of hell these would promptly tell God to go to hell and they would, themselves, go to the devil. It is not thus with those who truly love God, for they serve not from fear, but from pure love and devotion. Remove punishment completely from the universe, and they would still serve God with all their hearts.
Because of the gross misunderstanding of almost all people concerning the lake of fire, I would like to draw your attention to three words found in the passage quoted above. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which BURNS with FIRE and BRIMSTONE: which is the second death." The word BURN means combustion, or to consume. To consume does not mean to annihilate, for there is no such thing as annihilation in the absolute sense. When fire consumes a log in your fireplace it does not destroy any of the elements within the log, it merely changes their form. Combustion is the process by which chemicals combine to form new chemicals. For example: a tree might be cut down, sawed into fire wood, and burned. When the wood is burning the heat causes the chemicals of which the wood is composed to vaporize, mixing with the oxygen in the air to form new chemicals, including water and the gas carbon dioxide. So what was formerly a tree is no longer identified as the form of a tree, but the substance thereof is now simply CHANGED into a DIFFERENT FORM and exists in its new form within the atmosphere as water, carbon dioxide, etc. Thus, to bum, means to CHANGE. Furthermore, it is interesting to note that fire does not burn down; it always burns up; it seeks the highest level. And all that it consumes "goes up in smoke," to exist in a new form in a higher dimension. Even if you take a pan of water and place it over a fire, before long the water will take on the property of the fire and will begin to go up in steam. To burn means to CHANGE, and the change is always UPWARD in its motion.
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