How do you view birthcontrol?

[b&wpac4]

You still haven't answered this question.

Why are their different kinds of sin? My Bible says ALL fall short. Sin is sin and the kind doesn't matter. Lying is a bad as murder and hating is as bad as stealing. And as far as I know there is no injunction in the bible against birth control which would make it, as far as I can tell, not a sin at all.

He's a Catholic, they follow not just the Bible but the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church identifies different types of sins.

 

[rosenherman]

He's a Catholic, they follow not just the Bible but the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church identifies different types of sins.

So the Catholics follow a different set of rules that Christians do?

 

[b&wpac4]

So the Catholics follow a different set of rules that Christians do?

Go ask them over at OBOB. They will have much better answers than I have.

 

[rosenherman]

He's a Catholic, they follow not just the Bible but the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church identifies different types of sins.

So the RCC has taken upon themselves to add to God's word? Make up their own rules?

 

[Rebekka]

So the Catholics follow a different set of rules that Christians do?

Catholics are christians too, and the "adding to the bible" comment doesn't belong in this thread. If you want to know why we value tradition (which is older than the NT itself by the way), please ask in OBOB.

 

[rosenherman]

Catholics are Christians too, and the "adding to the bible" comment doesn't belong in this thread. If you want to know why we value tradition (which is older than the NT itself by the way), please ask in OBOB.

I disagree, it does belong in this thread. It has a direct connection to the topic. Tradition is all very well and good and its age is irrelevant, but it should not be considered to be the equivalent of The Bible.

 

[white dove]

The question is in the title though I would also add what do you think (those who have any issue with birth control) of someone who is on birth control for medical reasons and not for contraception per say. Is she still "sinful"?

Let me preface this by stating that I am a Christian. I think birth control is a personal decision and it is one that I do not see as inherently sinful. To me, these can come in the form of: condoms, medication, implants, sterilization, etc.. It is something I may find myself using at some point. I do take into consideration that, besides sterilization, there exists a chance (albeit a small chance) that pregnancy can still occur. That is a risk that I, personally, would feel comfortable taking -- and my husband will as well (if he is anything of a thinker). If it is God's will that I become pregnant, even if I am on the Pill, use a Nuvaring and have my husband put on 2 condoms (not that that would ever happen.. just sayin'!), then so be it.

I, personally, don't feel that birth control is immoral. What I do feel is immoral is to go on about one's sexual endeavors without the least bit concern over pregnancy (considering we are strictly discussing heterosexual sex here). If you do not wish to become pregnant, do what you can to prevent it from happening (but realize that it still can happen with the exception of sterilization). There are so many different choices for women these days. If you do not wish to have children for at least a few years, try the IUD. If you never want to have any children, perhaps sterilization is the best choice. If you'd rather the stand-by classic, try the Pill.


Having said all of that, I do not agree with practices such as the morning-after pill and abortion as a method of birth control. In fact, I am adamantly against them for this particular purpose. Birth control shouldn't be an after-thought, like grabbing a tissue after you sneeze. Pregnancy deals with bringing life into this world. It is something that should be taken seriously and not haphazardly. Although abortion is a bit of a tangent (though not entirely off-the-mark), I still believe it to be a woman's choice to be able to make that kind of decision and that abortion is sometimes used as a last-minute alternative to a pregnancy derived from a negative or illegal experience or in cases where it is used to save a mother's life. I respect it as a choice, although I do not agree with it fundamentally.

 

[Bampot]

Having said all of that, I do not agree with practices such as the morning-after pill and abortion as a method of birth control.

How is Plan B any different than other forms of birth control? It's not to be used as regular birth control. It's purpose is for emergency situations, like a missed pill or broken condom. Even if the user didn't used any kind of protection before sex, she's taking responsibility by using it.

 

[moonkitty]

Having said all of that, I do not agree with practices such as the morning-after pill and abortion as a method of birth control.

The morning after pill, works pretty much in the same way that regular birth controll pills do. It will not terimanate a pregancy--i.e. if a fertilized egg is already implanted into the uterus wall it, it will not cause an abortion.

It's not like when a man [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] during sex, and presto a baby. It takes a few days for the woman's ovries to release an egg--plan B or the morning after pill as it is called pretty much tells your body not to release an egg. The hormones in plan B also makes it difficult for a zygote (fertilized egg) to implant into the uterus--but regular birth controll pills do this as well.

 

[WiredSpirit]

My view on birth control? I pull out, the rest is up to her.

 

[PassionFruit]

The morning after pill, works pretty much in the same way that regular birth controll pills do. It will not terimanate a pregancy--i.e. if a fertilized egg is already implanted into the uterus wall it, it will not cause an abortion.

It's not like when a man [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] during sex, and presto a baby. It takes a few days for the woman's ovries to release an egg--plan B or the morning after pill as it is called pretty much tells your body not to release an egg. The hormones in plan B also makes it difficult for a zygote (fertilized egg) to implant into the uterus--but regular birth controll pills do this as well.

Yeah pretty much, also I wanted to point out that calling Plan B the "morning after pill" is kind of misleading because you can take it as soon you get it. Since it's just two pills, it is advised that a woman take one as soon as possible and wait at least twelve hours, but there have been studies to show that taking them both is way more effective.

Basically emergency contraception is really just a higher dosage of birth control. A nurse told me that before there was Plan B, women were advised to take at least 4 birth control pills. :o

 

[a.d.ivNonasNovembres]

But doesn't plan B, if an egg has been fertilised prevent a) implantation and b) if it has implanted make it reject?

Or am I wrong?

 

[PassionFruit]

But doesn't plan B, if an egg has been fertilised prevent a) implantation and b) if it has implanted make it reject?

Or am I wrong?

Yes, it prevents an egg from being fertilize and prevent implantation. Also Plan B prevents ovulation from occurring. It won't reject an implanted egg. Plan B does not work if the egg has been implanted to the uterus, the pregnancy will continue. That's why it's advised for women to take it as soon as possible, even though it can be taken up to five days. But the sooner the better.

 

[wanderingone]

Yes, it prevents an egg from being fertilize and prevent implantation. Also Plan B prevents ovulation from occurring. It won't reject an implanted egg. Plan B does not work if the egg has been implanted to the uterus, the pregnancy will continue. That's why it's advised for women to take it as soon as possible, even though it can be taken up to five days. But the sooner the better.

Because it can prevent a fertilized egg from being implanted some people feel it's an abortificant, they often feel the same about "the pill" and some IUD's

 

[PassionFruit]

Because it can prevent a fertilized egg from being implanted some people feel it's an abortificant, they often feel the same about "the pill" and some IUD's

Yeah, I know what you mean, but those people don't seem to realize that in order for it to be an abortifcant, the woman has to already be pregnant. May as well say condoms are an abortificant.

 

[RobinRedbreast]

How do you view birthcontrol?

I view birth control as necessary, as I don't want any children.

It is a viable and responsible method for controlling pregnancy. *shrugs* That's all. I've been on the pill (save for a few stints where I had to go off of it for specific reasons) for over a decade now, originally for medical-related reasons. Though I'm working on getting off of it (just due to side-effects of the hormones that I dislike) and on to either an IUD or something more like permanent sterilization.

 

[wanderingone]

Yeah, I know what you mean, but those people don't seem to realize that in order for it to be an abortifcant, the woman has to already be pregnant. May as well say condoms are an abortificant.

No they wouldn't see it the same way, a condom prevents the egg from being fertilized. Some people see no line between fertilization and implantation in terms of the beginning of life. A condom would not be a problem if they accept any form of artificial birth control because it doesn't allow fertilization to happen, and if it happens anyway because of a broken, or lost condom then the condom doesn't prevent the fertilized egg from implanting.

for those of us who don't view fertilization the same way it all seems pretty trivial, but to have an honest discussion with someone who feels differently you can't dismiss where they draw their lines. While I personally don't agree with those who opt to avoid these methods of birth control as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me by denying access I don't care what they believe.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

You still haven't answered this question.

Why are their different kinds of sin? My Bible says ALL fall short. Sin is sin and the kind doesn't matter. Lying is a bad as murder and hating is as bad as stealing. And as far as I know there is no injunction in the bible against birth control which would make it, as far as I can tell, not a sin at all.

yes there are sins greater than others. Read what Jesus said to Pilate during his trial(I'll give you a hint, its where he is talking about who gave him over to Pilate). Read about Paul when he talks about sins of the flesh(Paul says sexual sins are not only against the soul, but also against the body). Or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which is considered an unforgivin sin

So maybe you should re-check YOUR bible.

As far as BC, I already told you, over 2000 years of Christianity disagrees with you. Read what Tertullian says about people who use poisons to kill their children or the Didache. Do you even know that Onanism was a definition created after Onan that is an old word for coitus interruptus? Obviously Onans sin was related to performing coitus interruptus.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I disagree, it does belong in this thread. It has a direct connection to the topic. Tradition is all very well and good and its age is irrelevant, but it should not be considered to be the equivalent of The Bible.

So then, brothers, stand firm, and cling to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter. - 2 Thessalonians 2:15



Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you - 1 Corinthians 11:2




that is just your opinion, and either way this is irrelevant to the thread. The Church has already dealt with this age old argument over and over again.

By the way, that tradition you condemn is the same tradition that put together your NT and decided which books were inerrant. Based on your comments it sounds like you haven't read much about theology or the canonization of the bible. Its age is obviously relevent considering there were many who heard the apostles speak themselves in a golden age that never will be repeated again. Then again I take it you probably haven't heard of people like Polycarp, Clement of Rome, and St. Igantius.