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I don't know if i have ever truly trusted Christ, with my OCD I'm always scared and afraid to read the Bible, I'm only 16 and I've felt that way for as long as I can remember. I'm truly begining to think that I don't have any hope, people say if you worry then you haven't done it, but isn't that just something from man, I don't think it ever says anything like that in the Bible. I've done and thought terrible things, I know I need Jesus, I just wish I could know I have him.
I've also heard people say that someone cannot come to Jesus unless the Holy Spirit calls you to, & if you have commited the unpardonable sin then the Spirit wouldn't convict you. Is there any biblical support for that?? I've also read that you cannot commit it unless you have a vast knowledge of God & the Bible & stuff. I've just started learning about all this so does that make a difference if I had said something in the past??? I'm SO CONFUSED. I need help. Can anyone help me with this?
Very good post. Please listen to him here, Caty. Your fears are groundless. OCD, however, will always have some convoluted reason as to why maybe you should be worried. If you knock down one fear, often another will replace it. The fact of the matter, though, is just what keryakos has posted here. Again, try to believe this. The Bible really does support the notion that if you still have the desire to come to God, you have not committed the unpardonable sin.Caty if you are worried then you haven't done is not written in the bible this is true but it is a logical deduction from the Bibles teaching ..not an interpretation but a logical deduction ..The deduction come from two different ideas which are both very true and are evident ..First .if one comes to Christ or desires to they cannot have done it because the one who has is still an enemy of God ..they will not come ..Secondly a person who has done it has a heart that is set against the things of God and will not worry or fear God ..Nor ever entertain the love of his grace in their hearts ..
I struggle with this too Caty ..but my advice to you is this ..
Reach out to Jesus now Because he is reaching out to you ..
If you know you need the savior then the savior says Come .
okay i'm not tyring ot argue but the Bible says that ALL sin are forgiven and ALL blasphemies however they shall blasphemie (something on those lines) but this one about the Holy Spirit. So why are people making different assuptions, the Bible clearly states of an unforgivable sin, i don't see the contradiction. so many people have so many different view of this, why do people pick this verse apart so much. I'll listen to that sermon, thank you all for trying to help me.
This is it, right here.That is why it is so important to never take one scripture alone or listen to pastors or anyone who dont know how to rightfully divide the word of god
This is it, right here.You are so right, keryakos. That's where a lot of people get into trouble with their interpretations, by not considering the WHOLE word of God.
I think you can know that these thoughts are not from you because quite simply you don't want to have them. You agonize over them. Many of us on this forum have been through this. You are not hopeless, Caty. Any number of thoughts can come into our minds. That's not the issue here . These thoughts are not intentional. I think it's just a matter of fear and your current obsession with this based on your fears. And all of this is very common. Praying for you~When I first had the blasphemous thoughts I was deep into sin; so when I looked them up I realized I needed God in my life. So now I worry about, if I really love God? Because Ive been so scared of him for as long as I remember, Ive never gotten to know God for who he is. So after my fears were put to rest that I had committed the unforgivable sin and didnt remember it (thanks for the audio sermon keryakos) I laid down to go to sleep last night and I think I was kinda in and out of sleep because I was also thinking about something to do with rabbits, but the thought came into my mind, a terrible thought about the Holy Spirit. I immediately detested the thought, but its bothering me now, because I fear if I dont love God then my heart is hardened. How do you know that the thoughts are not from you but your OCD. If I could get past that I could probably move on, they would still bother me but I could realize that Im forgiven. How did you all know these thoughts were not from you. I have cried all day today, because I feel so certain that I'm hopeless.
Yes, there are some varying opinions on exactly what this entails. This is why I think you need to factor in what the rest of scripture has to say about sin and forgiveness. For example, 1John 1:9 says that if we confess our sins, then we have forgiveness and cleansing. Other scriptures say "whosover believes has eternal life." It doesn't make some exception clause as to whether you've ever done a certain sin or not. I think this is why that no matter what a pastor or theologians individual interpretation, they almost all get back, at the end of the day, to the" rule of thumb" we mentioned early that if you are still desiring to turn to God, you CAN. Jesus also said in the book of John that the person that comes to him, He would not cast out.But how do i know who to trust, with the correct interpretation?? So many things could be right. Some people say that it is saying that terrible thing about Jesus's Spriit, but if a person regrets saying somethign like that then couldn't they be forgiven?? What about people who say that it is continued rejection, wouldn't Jesus have said that?? See I have read SO many things, SO SO many different opinions, I'm lost as to what to believe. How do I now for sure that my thoughts haven't condemmed me forever?
Well, Caty, we are not suppose to "diagnose" on this forum, but I will tell you that you just very well may be struggling with OCD. OCD demands 100% surety in something and in matters of faith, we don't usually have that. That's why it IS faith.The thoughts are so real though, that's why I feel they are from me. People say if you love God you have nothing to worry about, but I'm scared that I don't love God, because when I try to get any close to him, I feel to horrible too. I don't know God for the loving person people describe because I'm scared all of the time. I was checking out at a store today and was thinking about the woman at the check counter because she was so nice, and I thought a terrible thing about the Holy Spirit, on the lines of what the Pharasiess said. (I don't like to type it--but you all know what the phrase is). I've been SO bad today, I can't eat or sleep, I've cried over everything. Because of the thought last night too. I'm also afraid to go to the doctor for it because a doctor cannot save my soul, I feel liike I'm wasting time. Is the ANY proof that If you feel terrible about it, then you have not committed it? Anything? Because I know the scripture about Jesus, when he said he will in no wise cast out anyone who comes to him. So if I'm coming to him the he WILL NOT cast me out?? But the verse about the unforgivable sin, says WHOSOEVER speaks a word against. I've never spoken a word against, but I've had the terrible thoughts. What if they are from anger, what if I'm having them because I'm angry at God???
Yeah, I definitely see what you are saying. I agree with you. The signs are definitely there. You kinda just have to take the risk though and seek medical help. I think most drs, especially a psychiatrist would recognize this especially if you share the past behaviors of lock checking, contamination fears etc. And if by chance they didn't you should keep seeking.I know I have OCD, even though I haven't been officially diagnosed. I've went throught the lock checking, fear of contamination, needless worrying over things i've said to people, hopeing the took it the way i mean't it, etc. But I just can't seem to find peace with anything about God & that scares me SO bad. I want to tell my mom & I want to get medical help but I'm afraid they will diagnosis me wrong. I don't know what to do anymore. Cause i don't know what to believe even about myself...
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