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Hang on mate. I never said that the Bible was meant only for the Israelites.
The question is, should every culture in the history of man read the bible as if it was written for their culture personally?
If it wasn't meant primiarily for that particular culture, then why does the 10th Commandment say we shall not covet our neighbour's donkeys, oxes, or slaves? Surely, if the Bible were written for 21st century Americans, it would have included cars, televisions, and golf clubs... right?Genesis isn’t translated along with the rest of the Bible? If this book was meant primarily for the Israelites, why has it been propagated for the rest of the world?
Primarily =/= only.You began this thread by asking, Is there something wrong with the idea that Genesis was written to be understood primarily by the ancient Israelites, in that specific context?
I never said the this book was primarily for the Israelites. I said that Genesis was written to be understood primarily for the ancient Israelites in the Middle Eastern context.Genesis isnt translated along with the rest of the Bible? If this book was meant primarily for the Israelites, why has it been propagated for the rest of the world?
If it wasn't meant primiarily for that particular culture, then why does the 10th Commandment say we shall not covet our neighbour's donkeys, oxes, or slaves? Surely, if the Bible were written for 21st century Americans, it would have included cars, televisions, and golf clubs... right?
I never said the this book was primarily for the Israelites. I said that Genesis was written to be understood primarily for the ancient Israelites in the Middle Eastern context.
I think you missed my point, which was simply this: Clearly the Bible was written to be understood by its primary audience, the Israelites. This is the same point Nooj is trying to make. Hence the references to slaves, donkeys, oxen and other outdated modes of life.Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Any thing that is thy neighbor's doesnt include cars, televisions, golf clubs ?
I think you missed my point, which was simply this: Clearly the Bible was written to be understood by its primary audience, the Israelites. This is the same point Nooj is trying to make. Hence the references to slaves, donkeys, oxen and other outdated modes of life.
Do you disagree?
Do you feel women should cover their heads when they pray to God (1 Cor 11:5-6)? I ask because my pastor once told me that this custom applied only Paul's immediate audience. I wonder how you feel about that, given your reluctance to acknowledge that the Scriptures even had an immediate audience?You cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to accept. You must accept all of it or none of it.
Are you saying that it should have been?
You miss the purpose of Exodus. God did not need to give a laundry list of items we cannot covet so the Ten Commandments will be applicable to all cultures in all times. This verse uses language that makes it universally applicable for all time. The first chapter of Genesis is written the same way. You cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to accept. You must accept all of it or none of it.
I think we're just talking past each other now, flaja. Your final statement did pique my interest, though:
Do you feel women should cover their heads when they pray to God (1 Cor 11:5-6)? I ask because my pastor once told me that this custom applied only Paul's immediate audience. I wonder how you feel about that, given your reluctance to acknowledge that the Scriptures even had an immediate audience?
I'm saying quite the opposite. It was written FOR the culture for whom it was first written, using terms, literary techniques and information relevant to them. A true understanding of scripture must include trying to discern what message the original listeners would have heard from the given text.
I take it that in your church women cover their heads and do not speak, then.When have I ever said that Scripture didnt have an immediate audience when it was written?
What I have said is that Scripture is meant for all people in all time. It was not meant solely for its immediate audience.
As for women praying bare-headed: If the Bible says women are to cover their head, what authority do you have to say otherwise?
When have I ever said that Scripture didnt have an immediate audience when it was written?
What I have said is that Scripture is meant for all people in all time. It was not meant solely for its immediate audience.
When did I ever suggest otherwise? I was simply asking if you followed your own advice by asking that women cover their heads when they pray (and, reciprocally, that you ensure your head remain uncovered).As for women praying bare-headed: If the Bible says women are to cover their head, what authority do you have to say otherwise?
A question: what is "acceptance"? Is it taking the text for exactly what it says, or is it to derive some base purpose behind bits of scripture that guide us on how to deal with more modern issues?
If the latter, how do you draw the line behind what scripture we should take absolutely literally, and what scripture should not be taken absolutely literally but in the spirit of why it was written?
I take it that in your church women cover their heads and do not speak, then.
So essentially you've worked out your entire Christian edifice solo. And you think churches don't have sound doctrine and aren't self-centered? I think that besides your understanding of grace and redemption you also have a very defective ecclesiology.I am not a member of any church and have never been a church-goer because I have yet to find a church that 1. has sound doctrine and 2. isnt self-centered and self-serving.
But any church that I would ever go to would obey the Bible- meaning women would be silent and covered in church.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Any thing that is thy neighbor's doesn’t include cars, televisions, golf clubs…?
[F New]If the Bible cannot deal with modern issues, what good is it?[/FONT]
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