How do you feel about the Law?

[Adventtruth]

God has commanded what He made good for our bodies, and our bodies are the temple of the Lord so it is in violation of His will for us to eat these things. As with all things, God winks in our time of ignorance but once we know the truth, we are holden to it.

AT, would you eat Hagis if it was offered to you in the same scenario? Or insects? Or brain or any other imaginable thing that people eat? Our witness to others would not be affected in the least if we were under the direction of the Holy Spirit. The fact that the person in your scenario was poor, leaving that person with more to eat than you eating with them would be the bigger blessing, would it not.

Yes I would ERC....If its the diet of those people and the Lord was working through me to win a soul to himself...yes I would indeed. I also know a Adventist preacher who gave a testimony years ago of doing the same thing down in the deep poorest parts pf Mississippi.

And let me tell you....you have just gone against what Paul is saying in the following passage. Paul seems to have re-defined the food laws through the resurrected body of Christ....Paul knew that the wall had been destroyed...and that all that separated the Jew and Gentile had been torn down and they now can share the same dinner table together...you are seeking to rebuild what Christ has torn down.

Gal 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned

Gal 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

Gal 2:13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Gal 2:14 but when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?"

Gal 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;

Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Gal 2:17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!

Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

Gal 2:19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Gal 2 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness [fn] were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.



WHat do you make of this passage ECR...what does it mean to you?

1 Cor 10:24 Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.

1 Cor 10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

1 Cor 10:26 For "the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof."

1 Cor 10:27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

1 Cor 10:28 But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience--

1 Cor 10:29 I do not mean your conscience, but his. For why should my liberty be determined by someone else's conscience?

1 Cor 10:30 If I partake with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks?

1 Cor 10:31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

1 COr 10: 32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God,

1 Cor 10: 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

AT

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Are you going to answer the question? Would you risk loosing a person to Christ due to a little pork roast? Answer that question please?

AT

Great questions, AT. They help to put the issue into a broader context.

BFA

 

[k4c]

Great questions, AT. They help to put the issue into a broader context.

BFA

All unrighteousness is sin but not all sin leads to spiritual death.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

Eating pork is unholy in the eyes of God but if it's the only food there is to eat to sustain life than to eat it is not a sin that leads to death.

If I knew, beyond a resonable doubt, that if I didn't eat the pork roast the person would not receive anything I said than for me to eat the pork is not a sin that leads to death. But you have to be carefull because if you accept one thing that God does not in order to lead someone to Christ you might cause a problem for someone else you are trying to lead to Christ.

Now could you answer my question?

What if, while on a missionary trip, one of the people of the village offers me his daughter to participate in sexual relations as part of their religious ceremony. Should I participate for the sake of the gospel?

 

[Adventtruth]

All unrighteousness is sin but not all sin leads to spiritual death.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

That has nothing to do with the discussion.

Eating pork is unholy in the eyes of God but if it's the only food there is to eat to sustain life than to eat it is not a sin that leads to death.

I want a chapter and verse please....and not the out of context verse you are using above.

If I knew, beyond a resonable doubt, that if I didn't eat the pork roast the person would not receive anything I said than for me to eat the pork is not a sin that leads to death. But you have to be carefull because if you accept one thing that God does not in order to lead someone to Christ you might cause a problem for someone else you are trying to lead to Christ.

Chapter and verse please.

Now could you answer my question?

Sure no pro-blem-o

What if, while on a missionary trip, one of the people of the village offers me his daughter to participate in sexual relations as part of their religious ceremony. Should I participate for the sake of the gospel?

Nope....you know why? Because the gospe is what you would be destroying by participating in their religious ceremony and sex outside of Marriage is against the Gospel. You seek to bring truth, not compromise with idols....different than eating a pork roast. Christ through His death and resurrection torn down the wall of separation between Jew and Gentiles....so they may now share the same dinner table. So we do operate within the New Covenant charter by eating...food is not unclean of its self.

AT

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yes I would ERC....If its the diet of those people and the Lord was working through me to win a soul to himself...yes I would indeed. I also know a Adventist preacher who gave a testimony years ago of doing the same thing down in the deep poorest parts pf Mississippi.

And let me tell you....you have just gone against what Paul is saying in the following passage. Paul seems to have re-defined the food laws through the resurrected body of Christ....Paul knew that the wall had been destroyed...and that all that separated the Jew and Gentile had been torn down and they now can share the same dinner table together...you are seeking to rebuild what Christ has torn down.

Gal 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned

Gal 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

Gal 2:13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Gal 2:14 but when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?"

Gal 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;

Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Gal 2:17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!

Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

Gal 2:19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Gal 2 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness [fn] were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.



WHat do you make of this passage ECR...what does it mean to you?

1 Cor 10:24 Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.

1 Cor 10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

1 Cor 10:26 For "the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof."

1 Cor 10:27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

1 Cor 10:28 But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience--

1 Cor 10:29 I do not mean your conscience, but his. For why should my liberty be determined by someone else's conscience?

1 Cor 10:30 If I partake with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks?

1 Cor 10:31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

1 COr 10: 32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God,

1 Cor 10: 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

AT

The first quote you gave involved the issue of bigotry; a Jew mingling with a gentile because gentiles were considered by the Jews to be no better than dogs and certainly not fit to eat with.

The second example you gave was dealing with the issue of eating food that had been set aside for or offered to idols. Where in that passage to you see the word 'clean' or 'unclean'?

Poor arguments AT... the context is glaring you in the face and you don't think I'll see it?

Why do you think God gave the food laws to the Hebrews? Was it to segregate them or punish them? Or was it for their health benefit? If it was for their health, are we now physiologically different from the Hebrews? Is not what God determined to be healthy for man then not the same as today??

 

[stinsonmarri]

All unrighteousness is sin but not all sin leads to spiritual death.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

Eating pork is unholy in the eyes of God but if it's the only food there is to eat to sustain life than to eat it is not a sin that leads to death.

If I knew, beyond a resonable doubt, that if I didn't eat the pork roast the person would not receive anything I said than for me to eat the pork is not a sin that leads to death. But you have to be carefull because if you accept one thing that God does not in order to lead someone to Christ you might cause a problem for someone else you are trying to lead to Christ.

Now could you answer my question?

What if, while on a missionary trip, one of the people of the village offers me his daughter to participate in sexual relations as part of their religious ceremony. Should I participate for the sake of the gospel?

Greetings:


And this is the confidence (the assurance, the privilege of boldness) which we have in Him: [we are sure] that if we ask anything (make any request) according to His will (in agreement with His own plan), He listens to and hears us. And if (since) we [positively] know that He listens to us in whatever we ask, we also know [with settled and absolute knowledge] that we have [granted us as our present possessions] the requests made of Him. If anyone sees his brother [believer] committing a sin that does not [lead to] death (the extinguishing of life), he will pray and [Elohim] will give him life [yes, He will grant life to all those whose sin is not one leading to death]. There is a sin [that leads] to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin which does not [involve] death [that may be repented of and forgiven]. We know [absolutely] that anyone born of Elohim does not [deliberately and knowingly] practice committing sin, but the One Who was begotten of Elohim carefully watches over and protects him [The Messiah's divine presence within him preserves him against the evil], and the wicked one does not lay hold (get a grip) on him or touch [him]. We know [positively] that we are of Elohim, and the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one. And we [have seen and] know [positively] that the Son of Elohim has [actually] come to this world and has given us understanding and insight [progressively] to perceive (recognize) and come to know better and more clearly Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true--in His Son Yashua The Messiah (the Messiah). This [Man] is the true Elohim and Life eternal. Little children, keep yourselves from idols (false elohim or mighty ones)--[from anything and everything that would occupy the place in your heart due to Elohim, from any sort of substitute for Him that would take first place in your life]. Amen (so let it be). 1John 5:14-21

If you take it out of context you will lose the thought. I love the Amplified Version because it explains in detail what John is saying. There are some sins like smoking, drinking, drugs, unprotected sex etc. will eventually lead to death. Examples are cancer, liver diseases, hear attack, HIV and other STD life taking diseases. Some sins will not kill like cursing, protected sex out of marriage, gossiping, lying (in some cases it could get you kill), dressing for show, spending money in abundance for self etc. This is what John was stating because anyone that knows Elohim does not practice any type of sin and through Yashua we want eternal life instead of eternal death with the evil ones!

Happy Sabbath to All,
stinsonmarri

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Sabbath blessings to you as well!

 

[stinsonmarri]

Now could you answer my question?

What if, while on a missionary trip, one of the people of the village offers me his daughter to participate in sexual relations as part of their religious ceremony. Should I participate for the sake of the gospel?

Greetings:

I would explain simply that I cannot do this just like Joseph did. He stood for the right even though he went to jail. I do not see why you want to eat a pig. I know or remember it at the age of five. I did not know it was the pig when I did eat mostly the ham and bacon. I never touched it again. My grandfather had them things on the farm and boy were they nasty and stingy. My sibbling's ate them when they left the church but when I left I did everything but not unclean food. My mother did not eat possium, rabbit, turtle, squirl as a Missionary Baptist growing up. They could not make her eat it nor have I ate shrimps or lobsters. I am funny what goes into my stomach. But the main point is when Noah went into the boat Yahweh told him to take 14 clean female and male and four unclean female and male. You get the point?

Happy Sabbath to All,
stinsonmarri

 

[k4c]

Greetings:

All sins will lead to death eventually!

Happy Sabbath to All,
stinsonmarri

There is a difference between spiritual death and physical death. Physical death is the result of sin, spiritual death is the result of sins.

1 Timothy 5:6 The one who thinks only of pleasure is already dead while she is still alive:

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

There is a difference between spiritual death and physical death. Physical death is the result of sin, spiritual death is the result of sins.

1 Timothy 5:6 The one who thinks only of pleasure is already dead while she is still alive:

I would suggest, K4C, that spiritual death is the result of unrepented/unforgiven sins.

 

[k4c]

I would suggest, K4C, that spiritual death is the result of unrepented/unforgiven sins.

Amen...James 1:14-15 tells is very clearly the process by which one dies spiritually because of unrepented sin. I didn't get into too much detail with my reply because I already posted a complete reply on this some time ago and they rejected it as usual.

 

[Adventtruth]

The first quote you gave involved the issue of bigotry; a Jew mingling with a gentile because gentiles were considered by the Jews to be no better than dogs and certainly not fit to eat with.

But you fail to see what Pauls point is ECR....lets take a look from the context.


Gal 2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Right off the bat Paul is talking about those who seek to bring them back under the old covenant. They did not like the freedoms that Paul had been teaching to the gentiles. Notice that Tutus was not even forced to be circumcised. But noticed Paul calls the Old Covenant "bondage"

Gal 2:5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.

Paul says they would not give in..Why? So the truth of the gospel might be preserved.

Gal 2:7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised

Now we can clearly see Peter understood what the truth of the gospel was.

Gal 2:8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles),

We clearly see the Holy Spirit working through Paul and Peter so they both understood what they where doing.

Ga l2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
And there is where it all starts....Cephas is Peter.

Gal 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

Why would Peter eat with Gentiles if Torah was still in effect? And then why would he seperate?

Gal 2:13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Why would Paul say they where acting hypocritically for separating from the dinner table?

Gal 2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?"

Clearly its a matter of the gospel as Paul points out. They where free in the gospel and not of the bondage of the Torah.

Gal 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;

Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Gal 2:17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!

Gal 2: 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

Gal 2:19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.

Peter was acting as if justification was through law keeping and not through faith....Paul says that old way was torn down, but Peter was seeking to rebuild it showing himself to be a transgressor.

So your remarks here ECR prove no added weight to the conversation....It went further than just " Jew mingling with a gentile" as you stated...Pauls point is that it went straight to the issue of the Gospel within the New Covenant. You have a case where you cant see the Forrest because of the trees.

The second example you gave was dealing with the issue of eating food that had been set aside for or offered to idols. Where in that passage to you see the word 'clean' or 'unclean'? Poor arguments AT... the context is glaring you in the face and you don't think I'll see it?

Well ECR....let me give you a bible version you can understand...

1 Cor 10:19 What am I trying to say? Am I saying that the idols to whom the pagans bring sacrifices are real gods and that these sacrifices are of some value?

1 Cor 10:20 No, not at all. What I am saying is that these sacrifices are offered to demons, not to God. And I don't want any of you to be partners with demons.

1 Cor 10:21 You cannot drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons, too. You cannot eat at the Lord's Table and at the table of demons, too.

1 Cor 10:22 What? Do you dare to rouse the Lord's jealousy as Israel did? Do you think we are stronger than he is?

1 Cor 10:23 You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is helpful. You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is beneficial.

1 Cor 10:24 Don't think only of your own good. Think of other Christians and what is best for them.

1 Cor 10:25 Here's what you should do. You may eat any meat that is sold in the marketplace. Don't ask whether or not it was offered to idols, and then your conscience won't be bothered.


1 Cor 10:26 For "the earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."

1 Cor 10:27 If someone who isn't a Christian asks you home for dinner, go ahead; accept the invitation if you want to. Eat whatever is offered to you and don't ask any questions about it. Your conscience should not be bothered by this.

1 COr 10:28 But suppose someone warns you that this meat has been offered to an idol. Don't eat it, out of consideration for the conscience of the one who told you.

1 Cor 10:29 It might not be a matter of conscience for you, but it is for the other person. Now, why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks?

1 Cor 10:30 If I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, why should I be condemned for eating it?

1 Cor 10:31 Whatever you eat or drink or whatever you do, you must do all for the glory of God.


1 Cor 10:32 Don't give offense to Jews or Gentiles or the church of God.

1 Cor 10:33 That is the plan I follow, too. I try to please everyone in everything I do. I don't just do what I like or what is best for me, but what is best for them so they may be saved.

Do you get it now????

Why do you think God gave the food laws to the Hebrews? Was it to segregate them or punish them? Or was it for their health benefit? If it was for their health, are we now physiologically different from the Hebrews? Is not what God determined to be healthy for man then not the same as today??

As Adventist I was told it was for health reasons...but searching the bible proved that I could not find any scripture stating such....so I ask you to show me such passages. And the Adventist argument of health laws is a invalid point. Why? Because even so called clean foods can make you just as sick and are just as un healthy as what you call unclean. Now most bible student know that God never gave them food laws to punish them. And scholars also know that the main reason for the food laws was to separate the Jew from the gentile nations...and now that there is no more Jew or Gentile, the wall of separation has been torn down and all people have freedom is all meats.


AT

 

[Adventtruth]

I'll entertain you and your milky posting.



You sound as if there is a problem with that....I guess so if you look to the ten commandments to lead you.



This is why I did not bother to ask the first time....such silliness. But to humor you...No.


Heres a question for you...are you always following the Spirit into righteousness? OR do you sin k4c



Of course not!



Of course not!



You must have bumped you head. Why are you judging professed Christians??? HUh???? You should be shammed of your self!

Believers are not accountable to law k4c. But im sure its hard for you to believe that. Believers are accountable to God alone.

Romans 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;

Romans 14:11 for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess [fn] to God."

Romans 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Did you get that memo K4c ? Believers are accountable to God and not law....


Its hard to believe a person like you would waist time by writing such school girl stuff. Do you sit around thinking of stuff like this? This is so foolish of you k4c. But its not hard to believe considering you have not a clue about the Spirit of God...that he can not sin, but leads into righteousness like the book of John teaches. Why do you listen to the world and what they say about God and then bring such filth to these forums? Asking stuff like that on a Christian forum when no one has given any notion of believing such filth is really showing where you are in your Christian walk. You need to get your head into the bible and learn to act like you are spiritual and not carnal....you don't talk to those in the body of Christ as you have...you seem to be making these things personal. You attack believers in Christ and then try and flip the switch. You should be a shamed of your self.




And what is your point here k4c? I have never ever said the law was abolished....only its obsolete for salvation and that believers are not under its jurisdiction....do you know what that means? I have also said if someone wants to use the law as a mirror thats fine as well. Only not to follow after it to seek or gain favor from God as you are. You have said you keep the law in order to please God....did you not? Now answer the question.

Now heres a few more questions for you please.

1) Are you dead to the law through the body of Christ? Why and why not?

2) The motions of sin in your body brought on by the law, does it bring fruit for death? Why or why not?


3) Is sin dead apart from the law? if yes then why do you follow after law? If no, then how are you declared righteous?


Please kindly answer these questions please as I have answered you.


AT

Bump for k4c who is running...but cant hide!


AT

 

[k4c]

Bump for k4c who is running...but cant hide!


AT

I'm going to have to refer you to one of my hundreds of posts on the subject because I'm tired of going round and round. Do your research on all my posts and you will find your answer, that's if you're truly looking for one.

 

[Migdala]

When pagans come to Jesus there is alot they have to learn. They have to learn about God's Law and how to express godly love based on the standard of godly love, which is found in God's Law.

When the disciples began the ministry of preaching the Gosple they were so amazed at how many people accepted Jesus. They were especially joyful when so many Jews believed in Jesus. They were not only joyful of the many Jews who believed but they were also joyful of the fact that they were zealous for the Law, Acts 21:20.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law;

Are you zealous for the Law or have you been taught that when you're a believer the Law is done away?

Look up the word, zealous, in your dictionary and tell me if it describes your feelings for God's Law?

Personally, I believe we are still under "God's Law", which is the 10 commandments. They are all summed up in two commandments...the first 4 are to do with loving God, and the last 6 are to do with loving others as ourselves.

There is no mention in the Bible whatsoever that we are supposed to drop the fourth commandment,which is keeping the Sabbath, so I've been keeping it for several years now. I'm not anal about it-I just don't work my job on that day and I try to spend a lot more time with God. If we were supposed to drop that commandment, then may as well drop all the others and go out and murder, lie, etc.

Yes, I've been taught that the Law is done away with, yet no one has been able to explain why we don't keep the Sabbath, yet we keep all the other 9 commandments. I personally believe that the laws that were "done away with" are all the Levitical laws, animal sacrifices, etc....if you read about the Ark of the Covenant, the 10 Commandments were inside the Ark.....and all the other laws and ordinances were on the side. That should tell us something right there.

There are also verses throughout the Bible such as 1 John 5:2-3....
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

So I do my best to keep God's commandments....the "curse" was not God's commandments at all-it was the death penalty for our sins. And Jesus did away with that when He died for us!

 

[Adventtruth]

I'm going to have to refer you to one of my hundreds of posts on the subject because I'm tired of going round and round. Do your research on all my posts and you will find your answer, that's if you're truly looking for one.

Like I said...you can run but you cant hide k4c. You cant even answer a simple post!

AT

 

[k4c]

Like I said...you can run but you cant hide k4c. You cant even answer a simple post!

AT

I'm very aware of the bait trap tactics. I'll spend all kinds of time answering a question that I already answered only to have you reject the answer and around around we go. So my answer to you is take some time search the forum you will find the answer I gave already.

 

[k4c]

Personally, I believe we are still under "God's Law", which is the 10 commandments. They are all summed up in two commandments...the first 4 are to do with loving God, and the last 6 are to do with loving others as ourselves.

There is no mention in the Bible whatsoever that we are supposed to drop the fourth commandment,which is keeping the Sabbath, so I've been keeping it for several years now. I'm not anal about it-I just don't work my job on that day and I try to spend a lot more time with God. If we were supposed to drop that commandment, then may as well drop all the others and go out and murder, lie, etc.

Yes, I've been taught that the Law is done away with, yet no one has been able to explain why we don't keep the Sabbath, yet we keep all the other 9 commandments. I personally believe that the laws that were "done away with" are all the Levitical laws, animal sacrifices, etc....if you read about the Ark of the Covenant, the 10 Commandments were inside the Ark.....and all the other laws and ordinances were on the side. That should tell us something right there.

There are also verses throughout the Bible such as 1 John 5:2-3....
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

So I do my best to keep God's commandments....the "curse" was not God's commandments at all-it was the death penalty for our sins. And Jesus did away with that when He died for us!

This was the best post I've seen on a long time. keep up the good work and may God continue the bless you with insight.

 

[Adventtruth]

I'm very aware of the bait trap tactics. I'll spend all kinds of time answering a question that I already answered only to have you reject the answer and around around we go. So my answer to you is take some time search the forum you will find the answer I gave already.

No its not a trap. They are serious questions that I want you to answer.

Do you remember your posting to me? Posting #130. Here is what you wrote there to me.

Just as I thought, a shallow and empty answer to a biblically sound reply. Can you please answer the question with an answer of substance?

Your unanswered questions are piling up. __________________

So im returning the favor....ANSWER THE QUESTIONS PLEASE!!!!!


And this from another thread?

You can run but you can't hide, from the truth.

So who is running now!


AT

 

[visionary]

When you argue about the law.. you are outside looking in
WHen you keep the law.. you are inside learning its structure
When you live the law.. you embrace God