How do you feel about the Law?

[k4c]

When pagans come to Jesus there is alot they have to learn. They have to learn about God's Law and how to express godly love based on the standard of godly love, which is found in God's Law.

When the disciples began the ministry of preaching the Gosple they were so amazed at how many people accepted Jesus. They were especially joyful when so many Jews believed in Jesus. They were not only joyful of the many Jews who believed but they were also joyful of the fact that they were zealous for the Law, Acts 21:20.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law;

Are you zealous for the Law or have you been taught that when you're a believer the Law is done away?

Look up the word, zealous, in your dictionary and tell me if it describes your feelings for God's Law?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

zeal·ous

[zel-uh

s]
–adjective full of, characterized by, or due to zeal; ardently active, devoted, or diligent.

Yeah, that would be one word.... love would also work 'I love Thy Law"

Check out the list of antonyms for zealous...

disinterested, idle, indifferent, quiescent, quiet

 

[k4c]

zeal·ous

[zel-uh

s]
–adjective full of, characterized by, or due to zeal; ardently active, devoted, or diligent.

Yeah, that would be one word.... love would also work 'I love Thy Law"

Check out the list of antonyms for zealous...

disinterested, idle, indifferent, quiescent, quiet

You bring up a very good point because God's people can be zealous for the Law without the love relationship. This is the root cause of legalism.

I believe the most important thing God does in our new birth is fill us with His love.

Romans 5:5 ...because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Then He has to teach us, over time, how to love in a godly way using His Law as the basic definition of godly love.

Romans 13:8-11 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.

This is foundational in the saving process.

Remember the words Jesus used most often, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Love always must come first and be the reason for all that we do for God.

 

[zeker33:9]

When pagans come to Jesus there is alot they have to learn. They have to learn about God's Law and how to express godly love based on the standard of godly love, which is found in God's Law.

When the disciples began the ministry of preaching the Gosple they were so amazed at how many people accepted Jesus. They were especially joyful when so many Jew's believed in Jesus. They were not only joyful of the many Jews who believed but they were also joyful of the fact that they were zealous for the Law, Acts 21:20.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law;

Are you zealous for the Law or have you been taught that when you're a believer the Law is done away?

Look up the word, zealous, in your dictionary and tell me if it describes your feelings for God's Law?

What is interesting is, you're building doctrine off of half the thought. Here is the finished thought concerning Acts 21:20.

And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. (Act 21:21)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)

 

[woobadooba]

What is interesting is, you're building doctrine off of half the thought. Here is the finished thought concerning Acts 21:20.

And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. (Act 21:21)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)

Actually, that is not the finished thought. It also goes on to say say "Take these men, purify yourself along with them, and pay for them to get their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that what they were told about you amounts to nothing, but that you yourself are also careful about observing the law." (Acts 21:24 HCSB)

A careful reading of Acts 21:18-24, shows that people were bearing false witness against the teachings of Paul by saying that he was encouraging people to disregard Moses. But that wasn't what Paul was doing. To the contrary, Paul encouraged people to uphold the law. See Romans 3:31.

 

[zeker33:9]

Actually, that is not the finished thought. It also goes on to say say "Take these men, purify yourself along with them, and pay for them to get their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that what they were told about you amounts to nothing, but that you yourself are also careful about observing the law." (Acts 21:24 HCSB)

A careful reading of Acts 21:18-24, shows that people were bearing false witness against the teachings of Paul by saying that he was encouraging people to disregard Moses. But that wasn't what Paul was doing. To the contrary, Paul encouraged people to uphold the law. See Romans 3:31.

So are you saying is we're still under Mosaic law?

 

[k4c]

So are you saying is we're still under Mosaic law?

What he is saying is the same thing Jesus is saying, love God and neighbor and you will be keeping the Law because keeping the Law will manifest itself as loving God and loving neighbor.

Are you zealous to love God and neighbor?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

So are you saying is we're still under Mosaic law?

The stumbling block that I see, amongst those that don't hold to the doctrine of the decalogue always and forever being in effect, is that you cannot seperate the Ten Commandments from the Mosaic law.

They were created and given in different manners, yes at the same point and time, but are as different as stone is from parchment. One is eternal, the other temporal. One a written reminder of the oral record, the other, new light for God's denominated people.

That is the fundamental difference between us, we seperate the two and you don't.

 

[zeker33:9]

What he is saying is the same thing Jesus is saying, love God and neighbor and you will be keeping the Law because keeping the Law will manifest itself as loving God and loving neighbor.

Are you zealous to love God and neighbor?

Of course.

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:35-40)

 

[k4c]

Of course.

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:35-40)

In other words, loving God and loving neighbor is the whole purpose of the Law. It doesn't say loving God and loving neighbor does away with the Law.

 

[woobadooba]

So are you saying is we're still under Mosaic law?

Paul never taught that the law of God was done away with. His teaching was that we who are in Christ are no longer under the condemnation of the law. God's commandments are just as binding today as they were when He first gave them.

My challenge to you, and anyone else who wants to talk about loving God and loving their neighbor, while at the same time arguing that God's law has been abolished, is show me which one, if any, of the Ten Commandments has nothing to do with love. If you can't do that then you really can't say that they have been done away with and make any sense at the same time.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Of course.

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:35-40)

Loving God = 1-4

Loving neighbour = 5-10

Although, it could be argued that the 5th commandment could be either...

 

[k4c]

Woo, ECR...Amen and Amen!

 

[Byfaithalone1]

What he is saying is the same thing Jesus is saying, love God and neighbor and you will be keeping the Law because keeping the Law will manifest itself as loving God and loving neighbor.

Are you zealous to love God and neighbor?

Yes, I am zealous about loving God and my neighbor. I am not, however, zealous about offering animal sacrifices.

Are you zealous about offering animal sacrifices?

BFA

 

[woobadooba]

Yes, I am zealous about loving God and my neighbor. I am not, however, zealous about offering animal sacrifices.

Are you zealous about offering animal sacrifices?

BFA

You know that he did not mean to suggest such a thing.

Jesus wasn't an antagonist; He did not speak with ill intent, hoping to ensnare others with words. He had pure motives, and He spoke with wisdom. Those who truly love Him will follow His example.

 

[k4c]

Yes, I am zealous about loving God and my neighbor. I am not, however, zealous about offering animal sacrifices.

Are you zealous about offering animal sacrifices?

BFA

Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. "Honor your father and mother,'' which is the first commandment with promise: "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.''

Oh my! What is this? Is it the fifth commandment word for word?

Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

Now what shall I do? If I obey this I will be forced to also resort back to animal sacrifices.

Your straw man will not hold up under the weight of Scripture...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

This just came to me and I would appreciate feedback...

Do we not sacrifice ourselves in a way by dying to self through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. I'm not saying our sacrifice gains salvation but through confession, repentence and the forgiveness with the covering of Christ's blood, represents the sanctuary service... but instead of our own blood being required, we claim Christs atoning sacrifice. We die (spiritually) and He abides (eternally).

Don't know why that came to me... hope it came across as giving all glory and righteousness to Christ, nothing of myself.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

If I obey this I will be forced to also resort back to animal sacrifices.

If I am zealous for the law, then I would agree with this statement.

If I am zealous for loving God and my neighbor as convicted by the Spirit, then I don't see any reason why this would be true. However, let me ask a couple of questions to check my understanding.

In what way is Ephesians 6 connected with offering animal sacrifices?

Could the Spirit convict a person to honor parents without convicting the person to offer animal sacrifices?
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As I mentioned, I am zealous for loving God and my neighbor. I am not zealous for offering animal sacrifices.

BFA

 

[k4c]

If I am zealous for the law, then I would agree with this statement.

If I am zealous for loving God and my neighbor as convicted by the Spirit, then I don't see any reason why this would be true. However, let me ask a couple of questions to check my understanding.

In what way is Ephesians 6 connected with offering animal sacrifices?

Could the Spirit convict a person to honor parents without convicting the person to offer animal sacrifices?
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As I mentioned, I am zealous for loving God and my neighbor. I am not zealous for offering animal sacrifices.

BFA

If you were an alien from Mars I might answer your question because there might be a slim chance that you don't know the answer. But your not from Mars and you read your bible so I know you know that the sacrifice of Jesus put an end to sacrificing animals so to go any further with your question would be just Another tactic to wear out the saints.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If I am zealous for the law, then I would agree with this statement.

If I am zealous for loving God and my neighbor as convicted by the Spirit, then I don't see any reason why this would be true. However, let me ask a couple of questions to check my understanding.

In what way is Ephesians 6 connected with offering animal sacrifices?

Could the Spirit convict a person to honor parents without convicting the person to offer animal sacrifices?
​

As I mentioned, I am zealous for loving God and my neighbor. I am not zealous for offering animal sacrifices.

BFA

What is your fixation on animal sacrifices??

I guess if it's the only plank of understanding you have to float your opposition to obedience to the Law through love of the Saviour, I guess you won't let it go for fear of what I think you know is right....