How Do You Explain This?

[CryptoLutheran]

When teaching and doctrine don't line up with the Bible, then one must re-evaluate what they've been taught, Luther thank God!, seen the blatant error and began this re evaluation to what the word of truth actually teaches, but he stopped short, probably was a bit hard to comprehend how far from truth she had strayed

So, if I look at Scripture and find what Luther taught vis-a-vis the Sacraments, Justification, et al lines up, then I can stay Lutheran right? Even if it's not what you believe?

Cool. Then I'll stick to being a Lutheran, it's where studying Scripture took me.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[prophecyistrue]

So, if I look at Scripture and find what Luther taught vis-a-vis the Sacraments, Justification, et al lines up, then I can stay Lutheran right? Even if it's not what you believe?

Cool. Then I'll stick to being a Lutheran, it's where studying Scripture took me.

-CryptoLutheran

your already in error just calling yourself "Lutheran" your a follower of some guys doctrine, (see apostle Pauls teaching on following Apollos, or Cephas, or even Paul, Its an error, before you even begin to justify what his teachings are Luther was in error, allowing people to call themselves Lutheran, should of been a BIG RED FLAG! return and be a follower of Christ alone

 

[Archivist]

your already in error just calling yourself "Lutheran" your a follower of some guys doctrine, (see apostle Pauls teaching on following Apollos, or Cephas, or even Paul, Its an error, before you even begin to justify what his teachings are Luther was in error, allowing people to call themselves Lutheran, should of been a BIG RED FLAG! return and be a follower of Christ alone

You really need to learn your history.

The name "Lutheran" originated as a derogatory term used against Luther by Johann Eck and other Roman Catholics, following the traditional practice of naming a heresy after its leader. Martin Luther used the term "Evangelical" to describe the reform movement. Lutherans didn't start calling themselves Lutheran until the mid-1600's.

 

[prophecyistrue]

You really need to learn your history.

The name "Lutheran" originated as a derogatory term used against Luther by Johann Eck and other Roman Catholics, following the traditional practice of naming a heresy after its leader. Martin Luther used the term "Evangelical" to describe the reform movement. Lutherans didn't start calling themselves Lutheran until the mid-1600's.

...not sure how history has helped your case. you would think more time and study would of compelled followers not to call themselves Lutheran, now you have enlightened me to understand it was not done in Luthers day but in following his teachings and doctrine they have regressed in wisdom and called themselves followers of Luther......thats even worse!

 

[Jpark]

only problem with your theory is the fire was only on the floors surrounding the impact, all the floors below were structurally sound, and would of resisted the massive collapse coming down upon it, there was no resistance in any of the structurally sound floors below impact, not even a measurable one........thats impossible!

Not my theory. Just something I found credible.

 

[Archivist]

...not sure how history has helped your case. you would think more time and study would of compelled followers not to call themselves Lutheran, now you have enlightened me to understand it was not done in Luthers day but in following his teachings and doctrine they have regressed in wisdom and called themselves followers of Luther......thats even worse!

Interesting that you first claim that "Luther was in error, allowing people to call themselves Lutheran," then when it is shown that you were wrong--I noticed that you didn't admit that--you write that you are "not sure how history has helped your case."

The fact is that the term "Lutheran" was a derogatory term that the Lutherans eventually adopted because that is how non-Lutherans were referencing them. The Society of Friends did the same thing, taking the derogatory term Quakers because that was the term that everyone else was using for them.

 

[prophecyistrue]

Interesting that you first claim that "Luther was in error, allowing people to call themselves Lutheran," then when it is shown that you were wrong--I noticed that you didn't admit that--you write that you are "not sure how history has helped your case."

The fact is that the term "Lutheran" was a derogatory term that the Lutherans eventually adopted because that is how non-Lutherans were referencing them. The Society of Friends did the same thing, taking the derogatory term Quakers because that was the term that everyone else was using for them.

Oh! I'm sorry I WAS WRONG! In my thinking Luther wasn't alive when his followers decided to go completely against the Bibles teaching against sectarianism against what Paul taught and name their branch of Christianity "Lutheran" as I said whether done early in history or later it doesn't negate the fact that it is wrong and in error.......so other than your point I was wrong in my earlier assumption, of when it happened, what is your point?

 

[Archivist]

Oh! I'm sorry I WAS WRONG! In my thinking Luther wasn't alive when his followers decided to go completely against the Bibles teaching against sectarianism against what Paul taught and name their branch of Christianity "Lutheran" as I said whether done early in history or later it doesn't negate the fact that it is wrong and in error.......so other than your point I was wrong in my earlier assumption, of when it happened, what is your point?

Please read what I wrote earlier: "Lutheran" was a derogatory term that the Lutherans eventually adopted because that is how non-Lutherans were referencing them.

They did not adopt the name to say that they were followers of Luther--it isn't a case of "following Apollos, or Cephas, or Paul" as you claimed. They simply accepted the term that was being used in a derogatory fashion by others.

 

[tulc]

your already in error just calling yourself "Lutheran" your a follower of some guys doctrine, (see apostle Pauls teaching on following Apollos, or Cephas, or even Paul, Its an error, before you even begin to justify what his teachings are Luther was in error, allowing people to call themselves Lutheran, should of been a BIG RED FLAG! return and be a follower of Christ alone

...you do realize that calling yourself "simply a follower of Christ!" can be just as divisive right?

10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

The problem doesn't lie in what name you use, the problem lies in judging your brothers and sisters for not being like you.
tulc(is just an old Christian and has seen this happen to a lot of people)

 

[prophecyistrue]

Please read what I wrote earlier: "Lutheran" was a derogatory term that the Lutherans eventually adopted because that is how non-Lutherans were referencing them.

They did not adopt the name to say that they were followers of Luther--it isn't a case of "following Apollos, or Cephas, or Paul" as you claimed. They simply accepted the term that was being used in a derogatory fashion by others.

OK! non- Lutherans (idiot derogatory name callers) identified this new branch of Christianity....."Lutheran's"..........somewhere down through the course of time (I DON'T KNOW WHEN!) but somewhere in the vast past history they began to refer to THEMSELVES! as "LUTHERANS" whether it was first a derogatory name makes no difference, they adopted it as their title, and to this day we have "Lutheran churches"......why their called Lutheran, is because they followed Luthers doctrine and teaching.........It doesn't matter how someone becomes a criminal, whether they were introduced at a young age or they fell into hard times and began stealing, in the end a thief is a thief. when your in error your in error, it don't make a bit of difference how you got there

 

[prophecyistrue]

...you do realize that calling yourself "simply a follower of Christ!" can be just as divisive right?

The problem doesn't lie in what name you use, the problem lies in judging your brothers and sisters for not being like you.
tulc(is just an old Christian and has seen this happen to a lot of people)

The problem doesn't lie in what name you use?........try re-reading the scripture.......ITS COMPLETELY IN THE NAME YOU USE!......Its exactly why there are a multitude of denominations and factions, and sects.....each one a different leader raises up their own teaching and doctrines and BINGO! we have a new group of Christians.....At least I'll give some of them credit for trying to follow the teaching, for the "Church of Christ, or Church of God, or Christ chapel.....or many of the churches that at least try to put Jesus or Christ or God into the title, we see from scripture they merely called their church the name for where it was located, not by who was there leader or pastor

 

[tulc]

The problem doesn't lie in what name you use?

Nope, it doesn't.

........try re-reading the scripture.......ITS COMPLETELY IN THE NAME YOU USE!......

I posted it so I already did read it a few times.

Its exactly why there are a multitude of denominations and factions, and sects.....each one a different leader raises up their own teaching and doctrines and BINGO! we have a new group of Christians.....At least I'll give some of them credit for trying to follow the teaching, for the "Church of Christ, or Church of God, or Christ chapel.....or many of the churches that at least try to put Jesus or Christ or God into the title, we see from scripture they merely called their church the name for where it was located, not by who was there leader or pastor

Except I think you're actually missing the point, if you despise other people (people who love and serve the Lord) because you don't like the name of where they sit on Sunday morning that seems very wrong.
tulc(is drinking some very good coffee)