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How do you explain Grace.

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Tonite I had a chance to witness to my family. and the subject came up.because apparently, someone who goes to my church, works with my sister. and she ask me if I knew him. anyway. she said that he's been trying to preach to her, she wasn't to turned on, and didn't really want to hear it. and she told me some of the things he said. and I told her that it was true.

I ask her did she think she was going to heaven if she died right now, and she said yes. and I ask why? and she said because she was a good person and that she didn't have to be real spiritual or go to church to go to heaven.

she said that she believes that God had a place for her in heaven. I tried to explained that she could not be good enough. then my aunt that raised me ask me some question, on how I got saved, and why I thought I needed to be saved, and I tried to explain. when I told her, she said that she never thought that I was a bad person. I just couldn't get through. I struggle with this with my co-workers too. I get so flustrated with this. how can anyone even began to think, that they can work their way to heaven. how can you have any kind of peace or satisfaction in yourself? what's the best way to explain this grace thing.
 

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Rom:6:17: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18: Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

This is GRACE.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
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Personally for me, His grace is felt while in His presence.

For me to explain His grace would be to say that Jesus stands in complete calmness, because of the pure and perfect truth of all things He is able to see. He does not fear anything, nor does He doubt that our hearts are capable of coming to know His complete love.

I stand in the presence of Jesus, and it is not so much that I chose to remain here with Him, rather I have become the things He teaches.

It is the most incredible feeling of no fear of anyone, seeing clearly the truth in everything.

Jesus does not work at being graceful, He is graceful.

His grace is His love for us, which is not able to condemn us. He sees the part in our heart which remains pure, and able to embrace and know His complete love. He is concerned for us, having freely allowed our hearts to be enslaved by the insatiable desires of the world which we turn ourselves toward.

Today, I see the foolishness in others, that I too once held on to, before realizing my own ugliness and decept.

Lately I have been found among the homeless, incouraging them about love, and what is right, and what is wrong in people's hearts. It is remarkable how easy it is to speak with them about love. Inspite of how distant they may appear to us on the outside, on the inside they see the foolish and cold hearts of us who pass them by. My reward is watching their hearts grow, becoming fearless, and dancing in the street, knowing the truth of the love Jesus has for them.

I continue to nurture them with words, which they willingly drink in, knowing after I have spoken with them, that they can go and eat and find rest for themselves.
And recently one stood up and began speaking to me of a church He now goes to, and He stands fearless of the bitter world all around Him. This is wonderful to see, in the hearts and eyes of financial poverty.

Truly I tell you they may be found in financially poverty, but in time, many of them will not be found in spiritual poverty, of which they will shout out to us, the truth about our hearts, having come to know fully and completely the grace of love Jesus that Jesus is.
 
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Tonite I had a chance to witness to my family. and the subject came up.because apparently, someone who goes to my church, works with my sister. and she ask me if I knew him. anyway. she said that he's been trying to preach to her, she wasn't to turned on, and didn't really want to hear it. and she told me some of the things he said. and I told her that it was true.

I ask her did she think she was going to heaven if she died right now, and she said yes. and I ask why? and she said because she was a good person and that she didn't have to be real spiritual or go to church to go to heaven.

she said that she believes that God had a place for her in heaven. I tried to explained that she could not be good enough. then my aunt that raised me ask me some question, on how I got saved, and why I thought I needed to be saved, and I tried to explain. when I told her, she said that she never thought that I was a bad person. I just couldn't get through. I struggle with this with my co-workers too. I get so flustrated with this. how can anyone even began to think, that they can work their way to heaven. how can you have any kind of peace or satisfaction in yourself? what's the best way to explain this grace thing.
"Grace is unmerited favor. It is God's free action for the benefit of His people. It is different than Justice and Mercy. Justice is getting what we deserve. Mercy is not getting what we deserve. Grace is getting what we do not deserve."
God's grace can be compared to the pardon that a governor of a state can give to a prisoner who is facing execution (the punishment of death) for something that he or she did. Without this pardon, without this grace, they will die.
We are deserving of death because all of us have sinned Romans 3:23, 6:23, yet God offers us a pardon (grace). Jesus died for us so that we could live, but His death can only be our "salvation" if we accept it. Just like the prisoner above, we can turn it down or we can accept this pardon that God offers John 3:16.
Grace is the power of God to do for us what we cannot do for ourselves and the fact is that we cannot do anything for ourselves. Jesus says, "...without me you can do nothing." John 15:5
The Bible gives us a beautiful example of what grace is and does. When Moses took the Children of Israel out of Egypt and into the desert the people soon became thirsty, but there wasn't any water to be found, especially not for 2,000,000 people, plus their herds of animals. God told Moses to strike a specific rock and He (God) would give the people water. The water that came out of that rock demonstrates the grace of God flowing out to all who would drink. It also caused the parched and barren land to blossom which in turn gave the animals something to eat. Without this water, without God's grace supplying the needs of the people, the people would have died. Christ is the Rock, He is also the Living Water. Without the grace He gives us, we would die. His grace costs us nothing, yet it supplies all we need.
 
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My parents taught me the "Romans Road" when I was a child.
Here's the "Road" (I'm not sure if this is the exact order), I'll post the scriptures down the bottom.

"As it is written:
There is no one righteous,
not even one;"

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned."

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

"For God demonstrated His own love for us in this:
While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

"That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."

Romans 3:10; 3:23; 5:12; 6:23; 5:8; 10:9-10
 
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My parents taught me the "Romans Road" when I was a child.
Here's the "Road" (I'm not sure if this is the exact order), I'll post the scriptures down the bottom.

"As it is written:
There is no one righteous,
not even one;"

This does not mean there is nobody that is righteous.

Rom:3:10: As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12: They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

What then there is no one that understandeth, there is NONE that seeketh after God, there is NONE that doeth good, no, not one.

People often use that sole verse, by itself, as if to say, no one can be righteous, and this is not True.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
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Maybe you can explain it like this, it must be very simple otherwise People wont understand or believe you.
The Basic here is: GRACE is a Gift from God, nobody can work for it or do 1000 other 'holy' Things to get it.
If someone believe in God, then pray, ask God to give you his Grace. And if we are very honest and sincerly about it, God will hear and answer your Prayer.
How do you know when God hears your Prayer? It will be in your Heart, in your Soul, because when you receive Gods Grace - FAITH in God will be your desire in your life. And it's so wonderful: out of your FAITH comes HOPE. So all we have to do is ask for it.
GRACE - FAITH - HOPE it's ours for a pieceful life with God.
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We need grace, because God doesn't just want us to be "nice people".
A lot of non-christians use this arguement, to prove that they or others are basically good, so they don't need God.

But God's requirement of us is "Be holy, even as I am Holy"
I don't think many people would consider themselves holy.
We just can't do it!!

But - through His grace, Jesus has done it for us !!!:clap:
We are made holy by His sacrifice, through the grace of God!

Try asking your family if they think they are holy - and perhaps they will recognise their need for His grace!

Praying for you and your family

God bless
 
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One of the purposes of the law that God gave us is to show us who we are. God is Holy, and we are called to be like Him, lights unto this world. He gave us His law to show us what He is like. We are to be like Him, according to His law, which is who He is.

If we break the law, then we are not like Him. We have ruined the relationship between God and ourselves. If you screw up even once, it is game over on your part. All you can do is accept grace.

Here is what I would do with your family.

Take them through the 10 commandments, 1 by 1, and see which ones they have broken. Remember what Jesus clarified with the laws as well. If you think about any sexual sin, that is adultery in your heart. If you ever get angry at your brother (not physical) then that is murder. Lying is a given, and probably stealing, and coveting. Everyone's broke the Sabbath at some point. We have all disobeyed our parents at some point. Even if it is something small and stupid. If we have ever put anything before God, if we've watched tv instead of going to church, we have idolized and worshiped other gods. Everyone has made themselves a god at some point. Graven images has a lot to do with paganism, but most of us have done it at some point, if we look hard enough. We usually miss it because we don't pay much attention to it. Finally, taking the name of the LORD in vain. This goes beyond saying GD or JC. If you have taken the name of God, which would be righteousness, and made it common, as in not holy and honored, then you have taken His name in vain. If you say you are a good person, and you are not, then you have taken God's name in vain. Unless your family can stand up to this criticism here, they have used the LORD's name in vain because they are not good people who have earned their way to heaven.

Part of witnessing is showing people that they are sinners. Not condemning them, but showing them they are broken and in need of a healer. If they do not believe they are broken, why would they search out a healer?

Peace
 
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One of the purposes of the law that God gave us is to show us who we are. God is Holy, and we are called to be like Him, lights unto this world. He gave us His law to show us what He is like. We are to be like Him, according to His law, which is who He is.

If we break the law, then we are not like Him. We have ruined the relationship between God and ourselves. If you screw up even once, it is game over on your part. All you can do is accept grace.

Here is what I would do with your family.

Take them through the 10 commandments, 1 by 1, and see which ones they have broken. Remember what Jesus clarified with the laws as well. If you think about any sexual sin, that is adultery in your heart. If you ever get angry at your brother (not physical) then that is murder. Lying is a given, and probably stealing, and coveting. Everyone's broke the Sabbath at some point. We have all disobeyed our parents at some point. Even if it is something small and stupid. If we have ever put anything before God, if we've watched tv instead of going to church, we have idolized and worshiped other gods. Everyone has made themselves a god at some point. Graven images has a lot to do with paganism, but most of us have done it at some point, if we look hard enough. We usually miss it because we don't pay much attention to it. Finally, taking the name of the LORD in vain. This goes beyond saying GD or JC. If you have taken the name of God, which would be righteousness, and made it common, as in not holy and honored, then you have taken His name in vain. If you say you are a good person, and you are not, then you have taken God's name in vain. Unless your family can stand up to this criticism here, they have used the LORD's name in vain because they are not good people who have earned their way to heaven.

Part of witnessing is showing people that they are sinners. Not condemning them, but showing them they are broken and in need of a healer. If they do not believe they are broken, why would they search out a healer?

Peace
Thanks for the lesson on sin. You pointed out what we know but so often don't want to look at. I sin more than I realize. I do think God is helping me to become more like him but I always will have a long way to go.
 
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One of the purposes of the law that God gave us is to show us who we are. God is Holy, and we are called to be like Him, lights unto this world. He gave us His law to show us what He is like. We are to be like Him, according to His law, which is who He is.

If we break the law, then we are not like Him. We have ruined the relationship between God and ourselves. If you screw up even once, it is game over on your part. All you can do is accept grace.

Here is what I would do with your family.

Take them through the 10 commandments, 1 by 1, and see which ones they have broken. Remember what Jesus clarified with the laws as well. If you think about any sexual sin, that is adultery in your heart. If you ever get angry at your brother (not physical) then that is murder. Lying is a given, and probably stealing, and coveting. Everyone's broke the Sabbath at some point. We have all disobeyed our parents at some point. Even if it is something small and stupid. If we have ever put anything before God, if we've watched tv instead of going to church, we have idolized and worshiped other gods. Everyone has made themselves a god at some point. Graven images has a lot to do with paganism, but most of us have done it at some point, if we look hard enough. We usually miss it because we don't pay much attention to it. Finally, taking the name of the LORD in vain. This goes beyond saying GD or JC. If you have taken the name of God, which would be righteousness, and made it common, as in not holy and honored, then you have taken His name in vain. If you say you are a good person, and you are not, then you have taken God's name in vain. Unless your family can stand up to this criticism here, they have used the LORD's name in vain because they are not good people who have earned their way to heaven.

Part of witnessing is showing people that they are sinners. Not condemning them, but showing them they are broken and in need of a healer. If they do not believe they are broken, why would they search out a healer?

Peace
Thanks, I've been strugling with how to witness to my loved ones, as a new christian myself.
 
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