yeshuaslavejeff
simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Correct.
So ? I have no idea of anything you want,
nor of any valid and available offer made so far. (or 'plausible' offer)
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Correct.Wanting something and getting a plausible offer are two different things.
Correct.
So ? I have no idea of anything you want,
nor of any valid and available offer made so far. (or 'plausible' offer)
Nah, the offer of eternal lifeYou probably should've thought of that before you tried to peddle eternal life a few posts ago.
healing, peace, joy, righteousness, self control, patience, "divine guidance"a reward that you don't get until after you die.
Nah, the offer of eternal life
rest with Yahweh,
it is Him, not me, you'll have to deal with either way.
Oh, We (saints) overcome with the word of our testimony, and the blood of the Lamb,
but that is only evidence/ testimony of Jesus and the Truth - our faith won't save anyone else - everyone is judged for their own deeds.
So, iow, if you decide you want eternal life, it's not me you go to,
but Yahweh. It will be all up to Him, not me.
It's free to everyone else.Still not buying your sales pitch.
I can't do better than Christ.
Matthew 7:7-12
healing, peace, joy, righteousness, self control, patience, "divine guidance"
all are
already , not later, rewards for members in the body of Christ, His followers who are immersed in Him. (sad, yes, that many do not experience this, for so many different reasons we cannot go into on this site)
Just check His Word to see all these and more were present and amazing in the first ekklesia in Jerusalem and the first century. Of course, a lot was quickly lost as the wolves/ world/ false teachers replaced what was good with what was not good. This is the same difficulty for you all today - there is a lot more imitation than real. (in teh world)
Good, though for that of course , you will have to wait.Yeah, I'm not interested in hearing more claims, I'm interested in seeing evidence to support those claims.
Good, though for that of course , you will have to wait.
Oh, no, did you think I meant wait until after this life ?I really gotta wonder at those people who gladly pay now for something that they can't get until after they are dead (and maybe not even then).
Oh, no, did you think I meant wait until after this life ?
No, not at all.
I meant what you are asking for "evidence".And if you didn't mean "after death", what did you mean when you said I'd have to wait? Wait for what?
I meant what you are asking for "evidence".
So far you have not , evidently , seen any true Christians. This is a very common experience, btw. (true Christians are rare on earth)
When (if?) you do, that will be the evidence you seek. Then you can accept it or not at that time.
No, I didn't say anything about ever being converted, NOR about even meeting ANYONE who believes STRONGLY.And it's quite arrogant to think that I will instantly be converted if I ever meet someone who really truly believes really strongly.
There have been people of non-Christian faiths who have believed their religion so strongly they have been prepared to die for it, so they are true believers - yet the strength of their beliefs doesn't convince you that their beliefs are true. Why then do you think it will be any different if the person is a Christian?
No, I didn't say anything about ever being converted, NOR about even meeting ANYONE who believes STRONGLY.
Only about evidence - if you want true evidence, and if it matters at all, you will see true evidence when Yahweh ordains it, and you won't see evidence in most churches (as perhaps you already know OR basically have admitted in saying you still want to see evidence).
Just as you can tell the difference between a living dog and a dead lion, so also
the difference between different groups can be seen, when you see them.
Then , it is partly up to your willingness, and mostly up to God's Grace, if you will believe or not.
NO one, not even God, can make you believe, no matter what evidence there is right in front of you,
or if there is no evidence at all.
On a completely dark night, in the country or a very dark street,
how far away can you see a candle that's burning ?
Dude, I've been seeking belief for over 9 years. I can't just choose to believe that there's a god or an afterlife at will anymore than you could force yourself to believe Thor is real, even if eternal existence is at stake.It's free to everyone else.
Leave it alone until you decide otherwise, if ever.
Including Charles Darwin? You said before he wasn't Satanic...
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