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How do you be friends first?

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In the case of being interested in someone you don't know well: I understand the concept of getting to know this someone as a friend before entertaining any romantic ideas. What I don't know is: How do you be friends first when you already desire to be more than friends? And, is this "friends first" stage really a "trying to learn if we are compatible" stage?

Furthermore, in the case that the person you are interested in does not already talk with you frequently, should you (a) try to forget about him/her, (b) drop hints, (c) directly ask him/her to lunch or something (initiate friend activities), or (d) ???? ? What's appropriate? Any advice, insights, experiences, Bible stories or verses to show me how to act in such a situation? :scratch:

I've been trying to ignore my feelings of interest in a particular guy but, honestly, they keep popping up and I've been wondering if I should put effort into getting to know more about him in order to see if there is something that reinforces or reduces my interest in him. Normally I wait for the guy... I'm friendly in general, but slow to build close friendships / relationships (could probably tell how slow I am by now!)... I'm trying to resolve my feelings....
 

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C! Do C! Initiating friend activities are always good. I always appreciate it when a woman initiates friend activities, like lunch etc. Think about it, would you say no to a lunch from a guy, even if you didn't think he was very attractive? Wouldn't you do it just out of bein' friendly?

But I encourage you not to get crazy and wild and start pulling moves on him if that time ever comes. That's his job! 8-D
 
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Thanks for your reply, Fatolia! Your enthusiasm for (c) causes me to lean in that direction. You make a good point about accepting a lunch that is offered to you -- that reduces my fear of rejection... not to say that can't happen, but gotta take a risk, eh?

So does asking someone to lunch mean I treat? I have no problem with that... but, I don't know: am I suppose to pay? Oh! Sometimes my social skills are... ehhh.......

Me: wild and crazy! haha. Definitely not now. I'll leave that to the guy, but I hope it's a good type of wild and crazy that comes at the right time and doesn't scare me away! :)
 
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No you don't have to pay. That will seriously freak the poor boy out (it would me). Assume it will be dutch, and if he offers to pay, I say follow your natural reaction and say no...and if he's smart he'll do it anyway...but I still wouldn't judge him if he then backed out ;-).
 
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fatolia is a smart man! I couldn't agree more with him. I've tried (c) very recently, and it has worked out well! Usually, I'd pick (a), mainly because I don't want to get my self esteem more lower that what it is. Usually my social skills are equal to that of a Buddhist monk, however...I did something very daring the other time, and it was (c). I asked a girl if she wanted to see a sunrise with me at 5am. She just said "I'll see if I can make it". Sure enough, she was there, not once, not twice, but 3 sunday mornings in a row!!! and even though we talked heaps, nothing happened (and I didn't want anything to happen then anyway). I still felt good about it though, and my asking her to the sunrise took guts, and best thing I've done in a while.

krstg...no guts...no glory...!
 
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Good advice so far.

What is the potential for getting to know this person in a group setting? Do you have mutual friends? If so, then it would be perfectly natural for you to have a few folks over to watch a movie, or get a group together to go to dinner or a special event. Depending on how well you know the person, group events might be the least "threatening" for both of you. Plus, it's a chance to hang out with your other friends and see how he interacts with them.

As for what the "friends first" stage actually *means*, well, you got me there. I guess it's a little of both... I mean, you are developing a valuable friendship, but if you already have that attraction, then in the back of your mind somewhere you will be continuing to evaluate the potential. That's just natural. I think that "friends first" mode means that your intentions and active goals are different from dating, even if the initial attraction is there. Developing the friendship means that you are intentionally not focusing on flirting/couple-y/romantic stuff. You are focusing on the basic elements of any relationship, such as shared experience, emotional intimacy, common interests, sense of humor, etc. It's getting to know him in a general sense before deciding whether or not you want something more... and also giving him a chance to get to know you better. It is rather confusing, I guess. :) best of luck!
 
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Yeah, group settings are the best for getting to know someone if at all possible. There's not as much pressure on you to come up with witty things to say and it's a lot more fun. If things go well, you can gradually work to having alone times with this person. :)
 
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I just wanna say "thanks" to krstg for posting this! I am going through the same thing myself, liking someone but wanting to take things slow and get to really know him. I have been getting these hot/cold signals from him though, so I too was wrestling with the decision on whether or not I should just ask him out for coffee one day after church, or just wait for him to make the next hot, followed by a cold move :D Anyway, based off of the advice given here I've decided I'm gonna ask him this Tues after our last worship group before the Christmas break. Hopefully I can get a small group of people to go, but aslong as he goes, that'll be good enough;)
 
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Why would they change their advice? I'd stick to the advice. Just go out and have a good time (whatever it is that you end up doing). Do you guys have breaks at the same time? Maybe you can sit and have coffee or what ever and just talk. Ask him how his day has been. If he likes his job. Just small talk. I'd say that if you become friends, and you still feel interested in him, then it's a good thing. Also, whatever you do, don't forget to pray about it.
 
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Hi Thithy. I was thinking about the "rule" I've heard about avoiding office romance (not from CF, but from advice columns and such).

I do know that my intention would be to open the door to friendship, not romance. I still feel that the advice given is good even considering the last factoid I threw out there... I just have to check (I always do this - can't help it! :D ).

Thanks for your input. And, I will be praying about it! :)
 
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Thanks all. You're all so supportive. You help me see that it's not as hard to do the asking as I make it up to be, and it is completely fine to do so as long I focus on developing a friendship (gaining/learning about "shared experience, emotional intimacy, common interests, sense of humor, etc." as Macrina put it. *thx Macrina*).

I can go in circles thinking about all the different "what if"s that keep me from asking. I will have to push these thoughts aside because I decided I will ask him if he wants to go out to lunch sometime. :D I feel a little nervous just thinking about it, so I will be praying! :crossrc:


enelya_taralom said:
I just wanna say "thanks" to krstg for posting this! I am going through the same thing myself, liking someone but wanting to take things slow and get to really know him. I have been getting these hot/cold signals from him though, so I too was wrestling with the decision on whether or not I should just ask him out for coffee one day after church, or just wait for him to make the next hot, followed by a cold move :D Anyway, based off of the advice given here I've decided I'm gonna ask him this Tues after our last worship group before the Christmas break. Hopefully I can get a small group of people to go, but aslong as he goes, that'll be good enough;)
You're welcome enelya_taralom. I'm glad that we can relate to each other and others too. ;) Wishing you the best!
 
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So I actually had a pretty long chat (like, 2 hours) with him yesterday. It's somewhat comical when I think about it (either comical or depressing... I'd rather see it as comical).

First of all, he was encouraging me to ask a guy I'm interested in out. He challenged me to find a boyfriend. He said I am cute and intelligent but need to be more assertive. (*uh, ok ... is that a compliment?*). What's up with that?

As you know I have plans to ask him to lunch. I was looking for the right time this week. Yesterday would have been perfect, except for the fact that I learned he met a girl, through a guy he knows, about a week ago. He's interested in her and is going to cook her dinner on Monday! He says that they are not bf-gf, but he would like it to work out. I was thinking: why is this happening?!? The one person I would actually ask is telling me this... now what do I do?

I was extremely tempted to tell him that I would have asked him to lunch if only he didn't have his plans. But, the last thing he said to me while we were heading out of work was along the lines of "Now don't tempt me by asking me out so I end up going with 2 girls." Then he noticed he forgot his keys and went back to his desk... leaving me in the hallway to think: OK... then I won't until you're over this new girl at least. And, I walked to my desk to turn off my computer and by the time I made it to the exit he was long gone!

What does this all mean?!? There were some things he said which made me think he would want me to ask him, but I could be reading into things too much. I am confused. :confused:
 
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krstg said:
In the case of being interested in someone you don't know well: I understand the concept of getting to know this someone as a friend before entertaining any romantic ideas. What I don't know is: How do you be friends first when you already desire to be more than friends? And, is this "friends first" stage really a "trying to learn if we are compatible" stage?

Furthermore, in the case that the person you are interested in does not already talk with you frequently, should you (a) try to forget about him/her, (b) drop hints, (c) directly ask him/her to lunch or something (initiate friend activities), or (d) ???? ? What's appropriate? Any advice, insights, experiences, Bible stories or verses to show me how to act in such a situation? :scratch:

I've been trying to ignore my feelings of interest in a particular guy but, honestly, they keep popping up and I've been wondering if I should put effort into getting to know more about him in order to see if there is something that reinforces or reduces my interest in him. Normally I wait for the guy... I'm friendly in general, but slow to build close friendships / relationships (could probably tell how slow I am by now!)... I'm trying to resolve my feelings....
krstg
Nearly 4 years ago, God gave me the two best gifts ever. Salvation and a great friend. OK so I wasn't think about Graig as a friend at the time. I took one look at his broad shoulders and said "I want that one."
NOw I am notorious for wearing my heart on my sleeve and everyone soon figured out that I had it big time for Graig. We were coming back from a baseball game and he turned down the radio and "talked" to me. You know the worst words in the English language are "we need to talk." He proceded to tell me all about how he really valued our friendship but there was nothing more there. He knew I had been hurt and used by many guys and he refused to add himself to that list.
Needless to say I was crushed. We pretty much avoided each other for about a month. During that time, I sucked it up so to speak. I cared SO much for Graig that if friends was all I could get friends was what I would have. So I sat him down and had a talk. I said basically that we were being big idiots for avoiding each other over one stupid uncomfortable moment and we were even bigger idiots to waste the wonderful friendship we could have.
Evidently that's the same night he decided to marry me. In our avoidance of each other, he missed me. Then he found himself getting ticked off everytime his roommate mention how pretty I was. Or funny. Or smart. Or the many things his roommate was infatuated with at the time. He did some thinking and praying and realized that he did have feelings for me. He was just waiting for God to tell him I could handle being pursued (I was a baby christian coming out of a very promiscous past). Evidently my putting our friendship above my feelings sealed the deal for him.
Graig pursued me very slowly (at least by our churche's standards where people tend to move fast). We had this talk in August and he didn't formally ask me to date until February (dating in our circle pretty much means "hey will you marry me next year?). I was totally blown away. I had somehow missed his pursuit of me.
We dated for a year, then were engaged for 3 months and have been married for a year and a half and our expecting our first baby.

Now to answer how... Friendship, in my opinion is ABSOLUTELY necessary. I wasn't playing any game when I decided to be Graig's friend and I promise you there were days that it nearly broke my heart. He is a sweet funny good looking man and new women to church always seemed to flirt with him. I prayed for Graig every single day. Never once did I specifically pray for him to be mine (though I don't necessarliy think it is totally wrong to). Everyday I prayed that if God did want Graig to be for me that He would mold ME into the woman for Graig. I then prayed that if it was not to be that God would bring a wonderful woman into Graig's life. One who could share his interests his joys and his tears. I prayed that God help us be friends and brothers and sisters in Christ and to make all decisions about each other according to God's will. None of this was ever easy.
I think that there is a difference between ignoring our feelings and not running on them I was always WELL aware of my feelings for Graig but I didn't let them determine my actions towards him. I NEVER touched him. It seems like such a silly thing but I never ever touched that boy. No hugs no casual brushes no nothing. Never even shook his hand. I never initiated any alone time with him. There were times when were were alone like if he drove me home (I didn't have a car) or if we went for pizza or something. But I never initiated it.
Now this story is cute and romantic and all butwhere we are now would be totally useless if we didn't continue to mold our friendship. We love watching sports together and just hanging out as bud. We are ridiculously competive. We compete over anything!
I hope this helps.
 
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I was extremely tempted to tell him that I would have asked him to lunch if only he didn't have his plans. But, the last thing he said to me while we were heading out of work...


I just have to add it was a very slow day at work and most of the people had they day off. I did not talk with him for 2 hours while ignoring work that had to be done! I would not let work be pushed aside for this. There was really no work to be done and we were lingering around work talking.

Guys (or girls, too), can you simplify this event for me? Do you know what this guy is thinking? ... of course you can't know for sure. I think I'm complicating the matter and dragging this out... :sigh:
 
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krstg said:
Guys (or girls, too), can you simplify this event for me? Do you know what this guy is thinking? ... of course you can't know for sure. I think I'm complicating the matter and dragging this out... :sigh:
Yeah, I think you are complicating the matter and dragging it out. Instead of trying to pursue him you should try to seduce him...and before you all pick up your stones to throw, let me explain. When I say seduce him, I don't mean, light up candles at work, wear a nice dress, dim the lights and make dinner for him. That's a simplistic view of seduction. I mean seduce him with who you are. Be yourself, the wonderful person that you are. If he likes what he experiences, no one will have to hit him in the head twice to pursue you and if he doesn't, then his loss (even though it feels as though it is more yours...that's another matter).

I say this because you don't want to be in a situation where he proposes to someone else and you are still wondering if there is a chance with him. At some point you have to cut your losses (if indeed they are losses). You have to becareful with your heart. And it looks like it needs some protecting right now.
 
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EmSchmem:

I admire the friendship you pursued with Graig and how you prayed about Graig and the friendship. I very much appreciate your affirmation that friendship is a MUST.

I think it's wonderful that you two can hang out at buddies. I think that would make the marriage fun. :) I see that a friendship that has been established is special. If friendship is something I can have then that is something I will be glad about.

I often fear that I will let my feelings determine my actions toward this guy I know, that's why I was questioning whether or not I should ask him out. As you may have seen in my 2nd (or is it 3rd) to last post, my decision to ask him is up in the air now and I am a bit disappointed to hear of his other pursuit. Still, we could be friends despite this and I am starting to learn more about who this guy is - what his character is. So all is not lost.
 
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the_man said:
Yeah, I think you are complicating the matter and dragging it out. Instead of trying to pursue him you should try to seduce him...and before you all pick up your stones to throw, let me explain. When I say seduce him, I don't mean, light up candles at work, wear a nice dress, dim the lights and make dinner for him. That's a simplistic view of seduction. I mean seduce him with who you are. Be yourself, the wonderful person that you are. If he likes what he experiences, no one will have to hit him in the head twice to pursue you and if he doesn't, then his loss (even though it feels as though it is more yours...that's another matter).

I say this because you don't want to be in a situation where he proposes to someone else and you are still wondering if there is a chance with him. At some point you have to cut your losses (if indeed they are losses). You have to becareful with your heart. And it looks like it needs some protecting right now.
You are right, the_man. Guarding my heart has been hard, but I know it's not impossible.

Be yourself, the wonderful person that you are. If he likes what he experiences, no one will have to hit him in the head twice to pursue you and if he doesn't, then his loss (even though it feels as though it is more yours...that's another matter).
Your advice is really good to hear -- to be reminded of. I do not want to be who I'm not just to get and keep his attention. I want someone to like me for who I am. I agree with what you say: if he doesn't pursue me, then it's his loss. I'm glad to hear that coming from someone else, so thank you.

And, if losses are to be cut, they will be cut.
 
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