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How do we receive the Holy Spirit today?

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Dietrich Johnson, May 16, 2022.

  1. ByTheSpirit

    ByTheSpirit Pray always!! Supporter

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    Thats not what I am asking. You are saying (or implying) the the church began at Pentecost. I'm asking you:

    If the church began at Pentecost when the Spirit was given in that manner, then does that mean that anyone who has not received the Holy Spirit in the same manner as was given at Pentecost is thus not a member of the church and excluded from salvation?
     
  2. ARBITER01

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    Each of us has a spiritual renewal by The Holy Spirit when we are born again, right?

    We each are baptized/immersed into the body of Christ and sealed with The Holy Spirit, right?

    Then when did the disciples receive their immersion in The Holy Sprit?

    Was it Acts 2 like Jesus said it was going to be, or John 20?

    I say Acts 2.
     
  3. mourningdove~

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    Hi Dietrich,

    Because you have posted your question in this forum, I'm going to assume you are asking:
    "How does one receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit?"

    To clarify any misconceptions, there is no requirement as to 'where' the baptism happens.
    For example, some persons are in a church setting when they receive the baptism.
    But one is not limited, or required, to be in a church setting.

    Nor is one required to have any other believers 'with' him/her ...
    one can be baptized in the Holy Spirit alone, privately, in their home, etc.

    God is not limited in how or where He interacts with us!

    :angel:

    All that is needed from us is: Desire + Faith + Prayer (In any 'order'! :angel:)

    I went looking on Youtube for something helpful to share with you ...
    this is one woman's testimony, as to how she did 'receive' ... privately.

    I was baptized in the Holy Spirit privately, at home, alone with God.
    So I can confirm that the baptism can happen this way.

    Maybe something in this video testimony will be encouraging, even inspiring, to you!

    God bless
    :plus:

    How I received the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT! - YouTube
     
  4. ARBITER01

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    If someone is not immersed in The Holy Spirit and the blood applied, they are not one of His.

    Every single Christian has to have had that immersion in The Holy Spirit, ie their born again experience.
     
  5. ARBITER01

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    To explain it further,...

    - Each of us has to have the initial immersion "in" The Holy Spirit, which places us in the body of Christ.

    - Then each of us can seek and receive the "filling" of The Holy Spirit which gives us a greater measure of The Holy Spirit as well as places the gifts within us.

    This happened back to back for the 120 disciples in Acts 2 as well as Cornelius's house. They didn't have to seek the filling of The Spirit like we do, they were given it immediately after they were born again.
     
  6. ByTheSpirit

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    None of this makes any sense and I say that with all the humility I can express via black and white text.

    I said a person gets new life breathed into them by Jesus, and this is the new birth where the Holy Spirit marks the person as a child of God, evidenced by John 20:22 and illustrated in Genesis 2:7. Then a separate experience is had when a person has the Spirit poured upon them by Jesus, this is what the Apostles and early church experienced in Acts 2 and others would go on to experience later in Acts.

    Maybe I misunderstood you, but in your subsequent posts you've stated that the church began in Acts 2. That no where else in scripture does it explicitly state the Holy Spirit was given before that experience. So either they received it all in that one moment, or there must be another spot listed that we haven't discussed. But the implication of that statement is that unless a person receives the Holy Spirit in that same manner as on Pentecost, what most Pentecostals would reference as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, then they are not of the church and by consequence not a child of God.

    Now you are stating there are two experiences, one that places us in the body of Christ, and another as in the Book of Acts chapter 2. Which is basically what I stated.

    I mean this isn't about me being right or wrong. What I'm trying to understand is what about my position is contrary of yours, because now it appears they are equivalent. And if they are not, I'd really like you to show me in scripture where the Apostles received the Holy Spirit separate from Acts 2 and John 20.
     
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  7. ARBITER01

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    This is the contention point.

    You're attempting to associate John 20 with the new birth,.... and I've been saying that this is impossible since Jesus was not given The Holy Spirit to pour out onto us until He was seated at the right hand of The Father.

    In other words, He was unable to give out The Holy Spirit in John 20.
     
  8. ByTheSpirit

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    That's fair, there is some amount of "reading into" the text there because it doesn't say the disciples actually "received" the Holy Spirit. I just don't see why Jesus would say, Receive the Holy Spirit after breathing on them.

    But that still brings me back to my other question that you've raised. If this isn't the point which the disciples received the Holy Spirit, when did they other than Acts 2?

    If Acts 2 was when they received the Holy Spirit, then it would logically follow that every other instance of the Holy Spirit being received would be done in a like manner, with tongues and such. Kinda like a Oneness position I guess.
     
  9. ARBITER01

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    I look at it as a commandment rather than an action.

    If it was an action with results it would have been documented. "And the disciples received The Holy Spirit" or "and the disciples were cleansed" or something similar.

    Did it happen that way for Paul?

    I think Acts 2 and Cornelius's household were the only instances where they received the new birth and the filling of The Holy Spirit with signs back to back.

    I look at it as GOD was establishing this not man, and He put His sort of stamp of approval on it without giving anything more than anyone else in the process.

    I'm at work so I'll jump in here on and off when I can.
     
  10. ByTheSpirit

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    No worries.

    So something about Paul if we are going to stick "strictly" to the biblical narrative. Does the Bible ever actually state Paul "received" the Holy Spirit? I mean we know he had the Holy Spirit of course, but where does the scripture state he received it once and then again in a separate instance? In Acts 9:17-19 Ananias tells Paul that Jesus sent him to lay hands on him so he would regain his sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit. But that's about as close as the biblical narrative gets to Paul explicitly "receiving" the Holy Spirit, unless I'm missing something. In Acts 22 Paul recounts his conversion but doesn't even mention the Holy Spirit. In Acts 26, Paul again doesn't mention the Holy Spirit. So if our litmus test is scripture has to state it, then not even Paul actually received the Holy Spirit prior to being filled with the Holy Spirit.

    So back to John 20 and Genesis 2. In Genesis 2, where I'm making the parallel and I believe John does too. Adam is lifeless but God gives him life by breathing into him. I think the parallel is pretty clear, sinners are given life from God's very breath upon conversion. I don't think the Bible has to state they "received" the Holy Spirit for them to have actually done so.
     
  11. martymonster

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    The holy spirit is not what most people think it is.
     
  12. ByTheSpirit

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    *He is... Who exactly is the Holy Spirit?
     
  13. martymonster

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    Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
    Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
    Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
    Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation,
    and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:


    It's actually a bit more complicated than this, but this is it in a nutshell.
     
  14. ARBITER01

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    Some accounts are not as specific, but others are. The two separate events are specified after acts 2 so the teaching of a subsequent event after our born again experience is correct.

    - Did Jesus have permission to give out The Holy Spirit yet?

    - Does scripture state when He did?
     
  15. ARBITER01

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    In this forum we acknowledge the third person of the triune GODHEAD,..... and He isn't our bible.

    I think you are in the wrong forum with that teaching.
     
  16. martymonster

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    By "teaching" You mean, actual scripture?
     
  17. ARBITER01

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    No teaching as in doctrine.

    Your ideas are better suited in the controversial theology section instead of derailing this thread and forum.
     
  18. ByTheSpirit

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    Oh I get it, the Holy Spirit of the Living God, that hovered over the face of the precreaction waters is a book.

    Brings a whole new meaning to the fire of Pentecost. Imagine flaming books falling from heaven on top of the early church, no wonder they spoke with tongues and people thought they were drunk. Probably knocked most of them senseless lol
     
  19. martymonster

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    Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
    Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
    Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
    Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
     
  20. ByTheSpirit

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    You clearly have no idea who the Holy Spirit is. Youve already misgendered Him and now you've misidentified Him.

    We are witnesses of these things (resurrection and ascension) and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey him. Acts 5:32

    The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God. Romans 8:16
     
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