How do we know . . . .

[WarriorAngel]

ah, how to find another way to slip Mary into the conversation.... you found it, well done.

Well, the discussion came up, but hey i will take that compliment and run with it.
I get em where i can.

did the 12 year old Jesus knowing the scriptures better than the collective Rabbi's in the temple escape you? You believe that knowledge was gleaned from Mary's teachings?

Hey hey hey...
DId you happen to read what i said?

Jesus learned from Mary - as every child did back in them there days.

BUT Jesus might have learned the scriptures from Mary - but being God He knew what they meant.
[2 winks]

I'm sorry, I cannot agree with you on that.

if Jesus depended on the teachings of his Mother, in the normative fasion of learning scripture, that would not have happened. He would have had a 12 year olds understanding of scripture.

Mary is NOT responsible for Christ's knowledge of Scripture.

I didnt say SSSHE taught what they meant - altho she knew hence she took on the role of Mother as she remained a virgin in the Temple vowed [as all those who were] to remain a virgin...
BUT lets not digress....

She taught the physical verses...
jesus KNEW what they meant.

Did i say it better this time?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Well, the discussion came up, but hey i will take that compliment and run with it.
I get em where i can.

mmmhmmm.

Hey hey hey...
DId you happen to read what i said?

Jesus learned from Mary - as every child did back in them there days.

BUT Jesus might have learned the scriptures from Mary - but being God He knew what they meant.

Then what stroke of logic are you using that it was required of Mary to teach him the scriptures? If He being God knew what they meant? That's really, really silly.

I didnt say SSSHE taught what they meant - altho she knew hence she took on the role of Mother as she remained a virgin in the Temple vowed [as all those who were] to remain a virgin...
BUT lets not digress....

definitely not digress.... seeing as one of us thinks that's absolute tommyrot.

She taught the physical verses...
jesus KNEW what they meant.

Did i say it better this time?

I understand what you are saying. I reject it a silliness just the same.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

[SIZE=-1]Occasions where[/SIZE]
The Septuagint
Is Quoted in the
New Testament
[SIZE=-1]against the sense of the Hebrew text[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Enoch was not, because God translated him[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Gen 5.24 quoted in Heb 11.5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]To thy seed[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Gn 12.7 quoted in Ga 3.16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jacob ... worshipped, leaning on the top of his staff[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Gen 47.31 quoted in Heb 11.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Wouldest thou kill me, as thou killest the Egyptian yesterday?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ex 2.14 quoted in Ac 7.27-28[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]My name might be published abroad in all the earth[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ex 9.16 quoted in Ro 9.17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A royal priesthood[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ex 19.6 quoted in 1 Pe 2.9[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Lord knoweth them that are his[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Nu 16.5 quoted in 2 Tm 2.19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Dt 6.13 quoted in Mt 4.10 and Lk 4.8[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Put away the wicked man from among yourselves[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Dt 17.7 quoted in 1 Cor 5.13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Dt 21.23 quoted in Ga 3.13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Cursed is everyone who continueth not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Dt 27.26 quoted in Ga 3.10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Let all the angels of God worship him[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Dt 32.43 quoted in He 1.6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Why did the Gentiles rage?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 2.1-2 quoted in Ac 4.25-26[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Their throat is an open sepulchre[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 5.9 quoted in Ro 3.13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Out of the mouth of babes[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 8.2 quoted in Mt 21.16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]What is man, that thou art mindful of him?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 8.4-6 quoted in He 2.6-8[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 10.7 quoted in Ro 3.14[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]They are together become unprofitable[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 14.1-3 quoted in Ro 3.10-12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 16.8-11 quoted in Ac 2.25-28[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Their sound went out into all the earth[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 19.4 quoted in Ro 10.18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will declare thy name unto my brethren[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 22.22 quoted in He 2.12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 40.6-8 quoted in He 10.5-6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]That thou mightest be justified in thy words[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 51.4 quoted in Ro 3.4[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]They are together become unprofitable[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 53.1-3 quoted in Ro 3.10-12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Let their table be made a snare[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 69.22-23 quoted in Ro 11.9-10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He gave them bread out of heaven to eat[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 78.24 quoted in Jn 6.31[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Today, if ye shall hear his voice[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 95.7-8 quoted in He 3.15 and He 4.7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Today, if ye shall hear his voice[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 95.7-11 quoted in He 3.7-11[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And they all shall wax old as doth a garment[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 102.25-27 quoted in He 1.10-12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I believed, and therefore did I speak[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 116.10 quoted in 2 Cor 4.13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Lord is my helper[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 118.6 quoted in He 13.6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The poison of asps in under their lips[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ps 140.3 quoted in Ro 3.13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Pr 3.11-12 quoted in He 12.5-6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Pr 3.34 quoted in James 4.6 and 1 Pe 5.5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And if the righteous is scarcely saved, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]where shall the ungodly and sinner appear[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Pr 11.31 quoted in 1 Pe 4.18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]If thine enemy hunger, feed him[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Pr 25.21-22 quoted in Ro 12.20[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]we should have been as Sodom[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 1.9 quoted in Ro 9.29[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 6.9-10 quoted in Mt 13.14-15 and Mk 4.12[/SIZE]

continued on next post...

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

continued from previous post...

[SIZE=-1]By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 6.9-10 quoted in Ac 28.26-27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Lest they should see with their eyes ... and I should heal them[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 6.9-10 quoted in John 12.40[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Behold, the virgin shall be with child[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 7.14 quoted in Mt. 1.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will put my trust in him[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 8.17 quoted in He 2.13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]It is the remnant that shall be saved[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 10.22-23 quoted in Ro 9.27-28[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]On him shall the Gentiles hope[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 11.10 quoted in Ro 15.12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]When I shall take away their sins[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 27.9 quoted in Ro 11.27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He that believeth on him shall not be put to shame[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 28.16 quoted in Ro 9.33, 10.11 and 1 Pe 2.6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 29.13 quoted in Mt 15.8-9 and Mk 7.6-7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will destroy the wisdom of the wise[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 29.14 quoted in 1 Cor 1.19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]All flesh shall see the salvation of God[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.3-5 quoted in Lk 3.4-6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The voice of one crying in the wilderness[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.3 quoted in Mt 3.3, Mk 1.3 and Jn 1.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]All flesh is as grass[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.6-8 quoted in 1 Pt 1.24-25[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Who hath known the mind of the Lord? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.13 quoted in Ro 11.34 and 1 Cor 2.16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And in his name shall the Gentiles hope[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 42.4 quoted in Mt 12.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A people for God's own possession[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 43.21 quoted in 1 Pe 2.9[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]To me every knee shall bow[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 45.23 quoted in Ro 14.11[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]At an acceptable time I hearkened unto thee[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 49.8 quoted in 2 Cor 6.2[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]For the name of God is blasphemed [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]among the Gentiles because of you[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 52.5 quoted in Ro 2.24[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]They shall see, to whom no tidings of him came[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 52.15 quoted in Ro 15.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Who has believed our report?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 53.1 quoted in Jn 12.38 and Ro 10.16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He was led as a sheep to the slaughter[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 53.7-8 quoted in Ac 8.32-33[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Neither was guile found in his mouth[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 53.9 quoted in 1 Pt 2.22[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Rejoice thou barren that bearest not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 54.1 quoted in Ga 4.27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The holy and sure blessings of David[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 55.3 quoted in Ac 13.34[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]To set at liberty them that are bruised[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 58.6 in Luke 4.18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 59.20-21 quoted in Ro 11.26-27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 61.1-2 quoted in Lk 4.18-19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I was found of them that sought me not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 65.1 quoted in Ro 10.20[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A disobedient and gainsaying people[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 65.2 quoted in Ro 10.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Behold, the days come[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jer 31.31-34 quoted in He 8.8-12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will put my laws on their heart[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jer 31.33-34 quoted in He 10.16-17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will call that my people, which was not my people[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ho 2.23 quoted in Ro 9.25[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I desire mercy, and not sacrifice[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ho 6.6 quoted in Mt 9.13 and 12.7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]O death, where is thy sting?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ho 13.14 quoted in 1 Cor 15.55[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jl 2.28-32 quoted in Ac 2.17-21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Am 5.25-27 quoted in Ac 7.42-43[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Am 9.11-12 quoted in Ac 15.16-17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]For I work a work in your days,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]which ye shall in no wise believe[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Hab 1.5 quoted in Ac 13.41[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]But my righteous one shall live by faith[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Hab 2.3-4 quoted in He 10.37-38[/SIZE]

Forgive me...

 

[Philothei]

no, I didn't.

I use what has been given us as divine revelation, and inspired in scripture.

I suppose if I was a 1st century diciple, I may have had to wait awhile, and depend on oral teachings. That is not the case.

there is a REASON it was recorded, and God inspired at that.

It was recorded so that in 1500 there was going to be SS that would come back and dispute oral tradition... that pre-existed SS?? Yeah that makes sense...

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

I wanted to chime in here...pardon me.

No, Jesus and the Jews were at odds with what the OT meant, as He plainly said they couldnt see the Messiah [Himself] in the scriptures..
Well, He chastised them for not 'seeing and being blind' to what the scriptures meant.

Basically, only the ones who could see it [Nicodemus as one] would know Who He was.

You have to read Wisdom...check this out;

Wisdom 2
1 For they have said, reasoning with themselves, but not right: The time of our life is short and tedious, and in the end of a man there is no remedy, and no man hath been known to have returned from hell: 2 For we are born of nothing, and after this we shall be as if we had not been: for the breath in our nostrils is smoke: and speech a spark to move our heart, 3 Which being put out, our body shall be ashes, and our spirit shall be poured abroad as soft air, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, which is driven away by the beams of the sun, and overpowered with the heat thereof: 4 And our name in time shall be forgotten, and no man shall have any remembrance of our works. 5 For our time is as the passing of a shadow, and there is no going back of our end: for it is fast sealed, and no man returneth.

6 Come therefore, and let us enjoy the good things that are present, and let us speedily use the creatures as in youth. 7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine, and ointments: and let not the flower of the time pass by us. 8 Let us crown ourselves with roses, before they be withered: let no meadow escape our riot. 9 Let none of us go without his part in luxury: let us everywhere leave tokens of joy: for this is our portion, and this our lot. 10 Let us oppress the poor just man, and not spare the widow, nor honour the ancient grey hairs of the aged.
11 But let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble, is found to be nothing worth. 12 Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraideth us with transgressions of the law, and divulgeth against us the sins of our way of life. 13 He boasteth that he hath the knowledge of God, and calleth himself the son of God. 14 He is become a censurer of our thoughts. 15 He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, and his ways are very different.
16 We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness, and he preferreth the latter end of the just, and glorieth that he hath God for his father. 17 Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. 18 For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. 19 Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. 20 Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words. 21 These things they thought, and were deceived: for their own malice blinded them. 22 And they knew not the secrets of God, nor hoped for the wages of justice, nor esteemed the honour of holy souls. 23 For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. 24 But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world: 25 And they follow him that are of his side.


Do you see what I see?
A very clear prophecy of Christ and the Jews who would not 'see Him for Who He is'.

You have made a conclusion I never made. I never said that Jesus and the Pharisees agreed on WHAT the Scriptures MEANT . . . but that they agreed that the Scriptures were the final and highest authority. On this they agree . . . otherwise Jesus' appeal to the scriptures would be met with challenge . . . and this doesn't happen. Rather they are shut down because of the appeal to the final authority.

This is what I meant by "seeing" . . . that they both saw the scriptures as authoritative . . . whether they agreed on the meaning or not.

Better?

 

[Philothei]

For the size [it helps me read - and thats what matters]...did i mention ?
And for the font.
A total of [whatever 38 x 3 equals]
Hey i got off work...done thinking.


One wet noodle coming up.

Actually the pale green you have is soothing for the eye WA... I do not mind even the blue but the red is a "killer" I get blinded for a few seconds....lol...

 

[Uphill Battle]

It was recorded so that in 1500 there was going to be SS that would come back and dispute oral tradition... that pre-existed SS?? Yeah that makes sense...

I didn't say that. You came up with that all on your own.

 

[Philothei]

continued from previous post...

[SIZE=-1]By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 6.9-10 quoted in Ac 28.26-27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Lest they should see with their eyes ... and I should heal them[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 6.9-10 quoted in John 12.40[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Behold, the virgin shall be with child[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 7.14 quoted in Mt. 1.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will put my trust in him[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 8.17 quoted in He 2.13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]It is the remnant that shall be saved[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 10.22-23 quoted in Ro 9.27-28[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]On him shall the Gentiles hope[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 11.10 quoted in Ro 15.12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]When I shall take away their sins[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 27.9 quoted in Ro 11.27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He that believeth on him shall not be put to shame[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 28.16 quoted in Ro 9.33, 10.11 and 1 Pe 2.6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 29.13 quoted in Mt 15.8-9 and Mk 7.6-7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will destroy the wisdom of the wise[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 29.14 quoted in 1 Cor 1.19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]All flesh shall see the salvation of God[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.3-5 quoted in Lk 3.4-6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The voice of one crying in the wilderness[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.3 quoted in Mt 3.3, Mk 1.3 and Jn 1.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]All flesh is as grass[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.6-8 quoted in 1 Pt 1.24-25[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Who hath known the mind of the Lord? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 40.13 quoted in Ro 11.34 and 1 Cor 2.16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And in his name shall the Gentiles hope[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 42.4 quoted in Mt 12.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A people for God's own possession[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 43.21 quoted in 1 Pe 2.9[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]To me every knee shall bow[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 45.23 quoted in Ro 14.11[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]At an acceptable time I hearkened unto thee[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 49.8 quoted in 2 Cor 6.2[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]For the name of God is blasphemed [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]among the Gentiles because of you[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 52.5 quoted in Ro 2.24[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]They shall see, to whom no tidings of him came[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 52.15 quoted in Ro 15.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Who has believed our report?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 53.1 quoted in Jn 12.38 and Ro 10.16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He was led as a sheep to the slaughter[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 53.7-8 quoted in Ac 8.32-33[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Neither was guile found in his mouth[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 53.9 quoted in 1 Pt 2.22[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Rejoice thou barren that bearest not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 54.1 quoted in Ga 4.27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The holy and sure blessings of David[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 55.3 quoted in Ac 13.34[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]To set at liberty them that are bruised[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 58.6 in Luke 4.18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 59.20-21 quoted in Ro 11.26-27[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 61.1-2 quoted in Lk 4.18-19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I was found of them that sought me not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 65.1 quoted in Ro 10.20[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A disobedient and gainsaying people[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is 65.2 quoted in Ro 10.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Behold, the days come[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jer 31.31-34 quoted in He 8.8-12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will put my laws on their heart[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jer 31.33-34 quoted in He 10.16-17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will call that my people, which was not my people[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ho 2.23 quoted in Ro 9.25[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I desire mercy, and not sacrifice[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ho 6.6 quoted in Mt 9.13 and 12.7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]O death, where is thy sting?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ho 13.14 quoted in 1 Cor 15.55[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jl 2.28-32 quoted in Ac 2.17-21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Am 5.25-27 quoted in Ac 7.42-43[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Am 9.11-12 quoted in Ac 15.16-17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]For I work a work in your days,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]which ye shall in no wise believe[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Hab 1.5 quoted in Ac 13.41[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]But my righteous one shall live by faith[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Hab 2.3-4 quoted in He 10.37-38[/SIZE]

Forgive me...

Nice job Orthodoxy .... very interesting. Things you do not find out about in everyday SS....hmmm

 

[Uphill Battle]

Nice job Orthodoxy .... very interesting. Things you do not find out about in everyday SS....hmmm

whatever.

 

[Philothei]

I did not said you said it... I was thinking alound...

 

[Uphill Battle]

I did not said you said it... I was thinking alound...

no, whatever to what you were thinking.

I've news for you. My Protestant Bible has a listing in it. It's suprisingly similar to this list! Oh, but wait, you can't LEARN such things with SS!

what bunk. As if Protestants are unaware of the quoting of OT scripture in the NT.

or, if cutting and pasting the list somehow speaks of intimate knowledge of the subject.

I've been looking at the list. It's mostly quibbles.

 

[GenemZ]

Everyone..DUCK!
​

Flesh war!




.
​

 

[WarriorAngel]

mmmhmmm.


Then what stroke of logic are you using that it was required of Mary to teach him the scriptures? If He being God knew what they meant? That's really, really silly.

definitely not digress.... seeing as one of us thinks that's absolute tommyrot.



I understand what you are saying. I reject it a silliness just the same.

Silliness eh?
Who taught Him to walk?
Who taught Him to be human in all apsects so He could fully be like us? Hmmm?

He didnt come down to earth to be instantaneously just the way He could be, but to become like us in EVERYTHING but sin.

So yes, His mother did teach Him.
BUT Being God He knew what they meant....whereas He was taught how to memorize them.

Reminder; there are heresies that deny He needed to be like us.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Everyone..DUCK!​

Flesh war!​

.​

:o Was that YOUR skin that just hit my monitor...?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Silliness eh?
Who taught Him to walk?
Who taught Him to be human in all apsects so He could fully be like us? Hmmm?

He didnt come down to earth to be instantaneously just the way He could be, but to become like us in EVERYTHING but sin.

So yes, His mother did teach Him.
BUT Being God He knew what they meant....whereas He was taught how to memorize them.

Reminder; there are heresies that deny He needed to be like us.

there is a WHOLE lot of assumption in your post.

 

[GenemZ]

:o Was that YOUR skin that just hit my monitor...?

You're refusing to get to the meat of the matter?




.

 

[Philothei]

no, whatever to what you were thinking.

I've news for you. My Protestant Bible has a listing in it. It's suprisingly similar to this list! Oh, but wait, you can't LEARN such things with SS!

what bunk. As if Protestants are unaware of the quoting of OT scripture in the NT.

or, if cutting and pasting the list somehow speaks of intimate knowledge of the subject.

I've been looking at the list. It's mostly quibbles.

I was refering to the septuagint ... I would hope you would have known that...Also the cuting and pasting was not the point.. But Orhtodoxy can explain... better than me. I am sure.

 

[WarriorAngel]

You have made a conclusion I never made. I never said that Jesus and the Pharisees agreed on WHAT the Scriptures MEANT . . . but that they agreed that the Scriptures were the final and highest authority. On this they agree . . . otherwise Jesus' appeal to the scriptures would be met with challenge . . . and this doesn't happen. Rather they are shut down because of the appeal to the final authority.

This is what I meant by "seeing" . . . that they both saw the scriptures as authoritative . . . whether they agreed on the meaning or not.

Better?

I dont think so.
And here is why...
How come Christ did not tell the Jewish ppl to get out the scrolls to obey the word?
No He didnt, but He did in fact tell them to obey the chair of Moses. Didnt He?

So now tell me where the actual authority laid.

there is a WHOLE lot of assumption in your post.

I am all ears.
Tell me how I assumed and correct me.

You're refusing to get to the meat of the matter?




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[OrthodoxyUSA]

I was refering to the septuagint ... I would hope you would have known that...Also the cuting and pasting was not the point.. But Orhtodoxy can explain... better than me. I am sure.

But I'm not going to... I'm tired of being beaten up. Perhaps some of you have forgotten that I am a human too.

BTW ~ I never spoke of myself being of any authority. I speak of The Church's authority.

Forgive me...