How do we know . . . .

[shuntmama]

Double.....post?

The forum is messed up.

Every time I post, it does it twice and in the wrong place.

Love in Christ, sarah

 

[Montalban]

This is such an important question for today because we know anything other than the true gospel will not bring salvation (Gal 1; 9.). It is the gospel of grace alone.

Where's it say only the written gospel?

 

[Montalban]

Where's it say only the written gospel?

 

[ScottBot]

Where's it say only the written gospel?

Answer, it doesn't. IN fact Paul is quite explicit about listening to the teachings of the Apostles whether it be by letter or spoke word.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Show me this proof then.

Yes. Tradition came first.

It's logical that when Paul preached to the Gentiles that he spoke to them rather than taught them simply by writing - unless you think he used 'flash-cards'

Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35). This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul. And therefore Paul himself uses tradition as a guide for teaching.

He also quotes from other non-Biblical sources, such as this early hymn
Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."

Unless you can show me by scriptures where scriptures said "Pick me" then you've also got tradition being used to determine which books to include in the Bible!

Show me this proof then.

Concerning the word graphe . . . in the NT it is applied to the Scriptures ALONE. And the passages where the term is used assert a unique authority to the concept that is NOT asserted to ANYTHING else.

I agree that tradition is A mode of communication of truth and practice and it has authority . . . but not on par with Scripture. NEVER is it said that tradition is profitable for training rebuking and equipping . . . nor is it ever said that tradition bears the witness that leads to salvation . . . and many other affirmations that are given to Scripture ALONE that are NOT asserted for ANYTHING else.

It does say that oral tradition is good for teaching . . . but it is never given the same place and authority as the Scriptures . . . notice Jesus did NOT quote the Targums when tempted by Satan . . . though He did consider the tradition of the concept of resurrection a truth. So tradition is good and valuable and should not be neglected . . . but it is NOT to usurp the place of Scripture.

In fact, the ONLY other form of communication given something even comprable to Scripture in authority is prophectic utterance.

 

[racer]

The Gospel isn't just what's written down

Then what is your evidence that there is more than is written?

 

[Asinner]

Then what is your evidence that there is more than is written?

It is written in the Scriptures of an oral Tradition.

 

[racer]

Does everyone agree on what the Gospel?

I’m not sure . . . .

Every denomination claims to be lead by the Spirit... yet denominations are divided by differing beliefs.

How does the fact that not everyone believes exactly the same evidence that the Holy Spirit is not leading everyone the same? The Holy Spirit is “infallible,” people are not. The reason there are differing beliefs is because not all “people” follow the Holy Spirit “infallibly.” The Holy Spirit leads each and every person exactly the same way. It is we people who stray, linger, wonder, get lost, get found, follow step-by-step . . . and for this reason, we are individually held accountable.

Many study the same Scripture and come to different conclusions.... Hence denominations.... Hence what is the Spirit teaching!

So? What is your answer for this? Why does it suggest to you that the Spirit does not teach everyone equally?

All different denominations rely on prayer... yet remain divided.

Christ delivered two new commandments in the NT. 1) Love thy God with all your heart and all your soul, and 2) love they neighbor as thyself. If we all do this, how is it that we are as divided as we believe ourselves to be?

All denominations have a counsel of fellow believers... even here you will find division.... Who is lead by the Spirit?

We are all lead, some just listen and follow better than others.

 

[racer]

Gary, for instance, you and I are in the same math class with the same teacher. We are both given the same instructions and lessons each day, yet one of us most likely will understand better or worse than the other. Does that mean the teacher is teaching you and me differently?

 

[Asinner]

Then what is your evidence that there is more than is written?

John 21:
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

2 John 1:
12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.


2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.


2 Thess 3:6
But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.


1Cor 11:12
Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.

 

[ScottBot]

So, you would rather have the traditions and failings of errant men over a proper understanding of the inerrant Scriptures?????

Go Cards!

The Holy Spirit told me to follow the Catholic Church.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Usually I go from my knowledge of the scriptures, and what I've been taught. I'm open minded to something, but otherwise, it just clicks and the word heresy comes to mind. But I have little experience with this sense..

 

[Gary51]

The Holy Spirit told me to follow the Catholic Church.

Or maybe it was your imagination!

 

[Gary51]

I would like to answer a few posters, but it I fear my posts will go back in time.

What's going on?

 

[Gary51]

Gary, for instance, you and I are in the same math class with the same teacher. We are both given the same instructions and lessons each day, yet one of us most likely will understand better or worse than the other. Does that mean the teacher is teaching you and me differently?

Testing....

So one becomes a Catholic scholar, and one becomes a Lutheran scholar.... both have equal intelligence... both claim to be lead by the Holy Spirit... What went wrong?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Yet that's the Protestant way.

"We only believe it, if it's in the Bible"; like the Pharisees, if it's not set in stone, you don't believe in it.

funny someone who goes to your church, calling others legalistic.

in answer to the OP

when they are selling it to you as "you gotta be one of us, we are the only ones who have it all right, we guarantee it. Everyone else can't be right. "

 

[ScottBot]

Testing....

So one becomes a Catholic scholar, and one becomes a Lutheran scholar.... both have equal intelligence... both claim to be lead by the Holy Spirit... What went wrong?

The Lutheran guy must have missed a couple of days....

 

[ScottBot]

Testing....

So one becomes a Catholic scholar, and one becomes a Lutheran scholar.... both have equal intelligence... both claim to be lead by the Holy Spirit... What went wrong?

The Lutheran guy must have missed a couple of days....

 

[Gary51]

Gary, for instance, you and I are in the same math class with the same teacher. We are both given the same instructions and lessons each day, yet one of us most likely will understand better or worse than the other. Does that mean the teacher is teaching you and me differently?

The Lutheran guy must have missed a couple of days....

Is that an unbiased opinion?

 

[Gary51]

I entered the twilight zone again!