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Sin and death came into this present world through Adam.
But sin and death came into the prehistoric world through Satan.
Satan is the author of sin, death and decay, including the death and extinction of prehistoric life, which would include Neanderthals.
of course science is useful, but when the popular interpretation of the physical evidence contradicts the noetic evidence, why should the physical take the front seat?
I think you've raised a good point. But God can still do whatever God wills because He's God. I don't think that anything that God does in His providence can decrease the majesty of God's work in history. Thus, I repeat: let the physical evidence gathered and compiled from within God's creation have a voice in informing us as to how God chooses in this matter.
As I have indicated, I truly don't wish it continue in this discussion further, as nice as it is to do so. It is too much of a distraction for me and I've too much to do this week. Again, I appreciate the discussions we have here. Thank you sincerely for your contributions. Hope to see you all around later.
Could you please explain the term "noetic evidence" for me?
i mean that which the saints have learned from God. God speaks directly to the spiritual heart, unmediated by our senses.
Not just anyone's imaginings though. And we still look for consensus.Thank you for the reply. You do realize, don't you, that this concept opens things wide to all sorts of claims.
You do realize, don't you, that this concept opens things wide to all sorts of claims.
maybe so, but without it we wouldn't even have the Scriptures. the prophets, for example, were writing what God showed them and what He spoke to them. without this communication with God Christianity would be mere philosophy. this is what makes theology higher/truer/more reliable.Thank you for the reply. You do realize, don't you, that this concept opens things wide to all sorts of claims.
Ah, they are back to being eminent again. Who exactly are they and what makes them eminent?He's asking good questions and not arguing, and I would note that evolution is a perfectly Orthodox viewpoint as many eminent bishops, priests and theologians teach it, synods have declined to rule on the matter, and so on.
He's asking good questions and not arguing, and I would note that evolution is a perfectly Orthodox viewpoint as many eminent bishops, priests and theologians teach it, synods have declined to rule on the matter, and so on.
You haven't answered my question.We seem to be going in circles - we're all saying the same things we've said before. Perhaps that is an indication that there is no more left to say. Unless there's something new (and novelty is of course abhorred), I've said my bit.
Of course, who knows? I eagerly await the bishops of my own church to speak on this issue. I will in fact be seeing my bishop this weekend and I may ask for his thoughts if I get the chance, but I don't intend to waste his time to settle an internet argument.Taking all of the forgoing into consideration, the Synod of Bishops resolve: In the deliberations on life after death one must in general keep in mind that it is not pleased the Lord to reveal to us very much aside from the fact that the degree of a soul's blessedness depends on how much a man's life on the earth has been truly Christian, and the degree of a man's posthumous suffering depends upon the degree of sinfulness. To add conjectures to the little that the Lord has been pleased to reveal to us is not beneficial to our salvation, and all disputes in this domain are now especially detrimental, the more so when they become the object of the discussion of people who have not been fully established in the Faith. Acrid polemic apart from the spirit of mutual love turns such an exchange of opinions from a deliberation into an argument about words. The positive preaching of truths of the Church may be profitable, but not disputes in an area which is not subject to our investigation, but which evokes in the unprepared reader false notions on questions of importance to our salvation.
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