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cause unquestioningly believing what their biology teacher says is like, totally the summit of smartNope. Kids are too smart for that. They are not going to believe that the Earth is 7500 years old.
at least on the issue of man's mortality, which Army Matt was speaking about, there is no ambiguity on the subject. we often here on this matter that "the Church has not expressed itself" -- meaning it's not been dealt with by an Ecumenical Council, but, at the very least, the issue of man and death has in fact been addressed by Ecumenical Council:
Canon 109 of African Code, (120 of Council of Carthage), ratified at the Ecumenical Councils of Trullo and Nicea II.
That Adam was not created by God subject to death.
That whosoever says that Adam, the first man, was created mortal, so that whether he had sinned or not, he would have died in body—that is, he would have gone forth of the body, not because his sin merited this, but by natural necessity, let him be anathema.
Ancient Epitome of Canon CIX.
Whoso shall assert that the protoplast would have died without sin and through natural necessity, let him be anathema.
Anthropologists estimate that the Neandertal population never was more than about 25,000 at any one time so they were quite widely scattered. You are correct that their last stand seems to have been in Spain in the region of Gibraltar but IIRC it was more like 30,000 YBP. Just why they went extinct is still not settled but it seems likely to me that modern man simply pushed them aside in some way.
exactly ... so the good ol' argument of "oh, the Fathers didn't have modern science" is meaningless on this whole issueYep - stick to theology.
superfluous - this doesn't "prove" anything on the subject since no one has claimed that Adam, first human was subject to death before the fall.
I am reading a book called "Sapiens" and it tells the story of humankind. So far most of it has been about neanderthals and the other species of humans who existed at the same time. Eventually, all but one species went extinct and homo sapiens (us) made it to the top of the food chain.
These species, such as neanderthals and homo erectus, existed two million years ago.
What is the Orthodox explanation of this?
I wonder if the Pygmys had died out 2000 years ago and there were only bones left, would we call them sub human.
Tasmanian Aboriginals, totally wiped out, almost Neanderthal in their skull, shoulder, brow ridge and nose.
The Neanderthal was stronger and assuming brain size, much smarter than you and me
Orthodox explanation, they where human, homo sapien sapien, just like you and me
Just a little smarter and stronger
I believe dating methods are all based on false geology, 200 year old false geology
Nevertheless, something extraordinary and inexplicable did occur around 12,000 years ago when modern man appeared out of nowhere, which science has been unable to thoroughly explain.
Hey guys, girls
Thought this was a creation evolution forum, didn't realise Eastern Orthodox, I am sorry to but in, my apologies
Personally, I have no problem accepting the existence of Neanderthals, or any of the many other prehistoric proto-humanlike creatures identified by science with the Biblical account of creation found in Genesis. God created modern man, (homo sapien sapien) in His own image, and then He instructed them to go forth and be fruitful, multiple and replenish the earth.
The word "replenish" according to Merriam Webster means to "fill up again, that which has been diminished". To "refill", or "replace" something that has disappeared. Just like you would have to replace the gasoline in your automobile when the fuel indicator reaches "empty". Certainly that was the case with Neanderthals, who according to science were pretty thin on the ground when modern man arrived on the scene. According to archeological evidence, their population was confined to a few hundred isolated, individuals surviving in caves on the Western shores of Spain around twelve thousand years ago. After that, their remains simply disappear from the archeological record.
Perhaps if more Christians took a scientific view of the creation, than a pseudo-science fundamentalist view of the creation, 70 percent of Christian kids leaving home would not be abandoning the faith they were raised in shortly after leaving the nest.
Just something to think about.
I meant specifically fundamentalist (typically Evangelical) pseudo-science, which is a large body all it's own.But it is what we're discussing.
What in their experience is/was the opposite of evolution?
Yes, yes - and the Sun actually rotates around the Earth. We know all these things already. It is clearly part of our Tradition to use Scripture/Tradition as preeminent evidence proving ourselves right in all things outside the realm of theology. Ballyhoo!
This is the OPPOSITE of our Tradition! A lover of truth does not obfuscate the issues to serve their own preconceptions.
Our hymns and our prayers reject the theory of evolution? Really? Oh wait - you believe the Sun does rotate around the Earth - nevermind.
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