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How do we become perfect?
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HaHa..right don 't respond.SnuP said:
Because we CAN become perfect. I think the key is humility.
We only receive grace thru humilty. Grace empowers us to love one another. If we are perfect we are perfect in love.
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the reason the God shows us the cross when we ask Him to show us our sin is because that is what He sees. To Him there is no sin, we are already perfect. The only time that He shows us things in our lives that are destructive, is because they are destructive to us. He is more worried about us, then weather or not we have sin. Here is a simple statement to ponder.
What ever part of you that is still bound to sin, is the part of you that is not saved.
What ever part of you that is still bound to sin, is the part of you that is not saved.
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Once you die to sin and are raised in Christ ALL of you is saved... not parts. No 'part' of you is still bound to sin.SnuP said:
It's an all or nothing deal.
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So for every sin that you're having trouble with, that means you are not saved?Brother John said:
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No.Quaffer said:
Please let me ask you this....
Do you believe that once you are saved you will Never sin again?
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(NKJV) 2 Peter 1:3-11Brother John said:
as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
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5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
According to this scripture . . .do you think we have an excuse for sinning?
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Whatever parto of you that isn't saved is the part that still has to be redeemed. That part cannot enter the kingdom until it is redeemed. As long as your spirit is redeemed in Christ, then God has promised that He will redeem all of you. But why wait untill we die to pertake of the kingdom of God. Death is the prerequeset for redeemtion. But why wait for your body to die, before your mind and emotions are redeemed. Become fully redeemed now and let the death of Christ work in your mortal body while you still live. So that you may Glorify Christ now while on earth.Quaffer said:
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You said it your self John. Repent. Repent means to be changed. Sin proves the lack of change.
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We have no excuses for sin, other then that we chose something other then God.
If salvation equals life, and sin is chosing death.... well, you do the math.
If salvation equals life, and sin is chosing death.... well, you do the math.
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So you're saying it has nothing to do with our spirits entering heaven upon earthly death, but how much of the Kingdom of heaven we can enter while living here on earth?SnuP said:
So, if we die to the flesh as scripture says, then we will experience in our minds and emotions the Kingdom of heaven now?
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Lets revisit that passage...Godisincontrol said:
1Jo 1:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
This is a verse that I did understand for a number of years. Something was wrong, and I could never quite comprehend what was being said. On the one hand, I knew we were new creatures, created in Christ Jesus into good works, partakers of the divine nature, after the image of God (2 Cor 5:17-21, Eph 2:10, 2 Pet 1:4, Col 3:10). I knew that because we have this new divine nature, which is the spiritual seed of God, we cannot sin (1 John 3:9, 5:18). We are good trees that cannot put forth evil fruit (Matt 7:18).
So it bothered me for a long time. One night, in the wee hours of the morning, I was in fellowship with the Lord and He just opened up something to me.
Read the verses leading up to 1 John 1:8:
1Jo 1:
5 This is the Message which we have heard from the Lord Jesus and now deliver to you--God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness.
6 If, while we are living in darkness, we profess to have fellowship with Him, we speak falsely and are not adhering to the truth.
The key word is IF.
If we are in darkness and say we still are in fellowship with God, then we are lying. But we are not always in darkness. The normal Christian life is to be in the light with Him.
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7 But if we live in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, cleanses us from all sin.
These verses about being sinful as well as those that follow, only pertain to people who find themselves in darkness. If you find yourself in darkness, and claim that you did not get there by sinning, then the truth is not in you. The only way believers get into darkness is by sinning! That is why he says:
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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
In other words, if you find yourself in darkness, and if claim that you have not sinned, then you deceive yourself!
Can you see the difference here? He is not saying that sinning and being in darkness is the normal state of the believer. He is just saying that sin is the only way a person gets into darkness.
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It is the plan and intention of God that we walk in the power of our reborn spirit. If we do, we will never sin. We cannot sin if we follow this seed of God that He has planted in us.
You can live free of sin. You can crucify your flesh. You can renew your mind. If these things are not true... then the gospel is a failure. Jesus died for nothing, and we are nothing but cleaned up, hosed down sinners. Fancy teacups with maggots inside. I exhort you to join with Paul and confess the reality of the spirit of Christ that now lives in you:
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20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
You can live free of sin. You can crucify your flesh. You can renew your mind. If these things are not true... then the gospel is a failure. Jesus died for nothing, and we are nothing but cleaned up, hosed down sinners. Fancy teacups with maggots inside. I exhort you to join with Paul and confess the reality of the spirit of Christ that now lives in you:
Gal 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
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Fancy teacups with maggots insidedidaskalos said:
now that's a picture. . .certaintly not a picture of Jesus in us. . .the Hope of Glory.
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I agree that if all of you is saved then none of you will be bound to sin, but:Brother John said:
You say on the one hand that if you are saved then you are not bound to sin, but then you say that it is impossible to not sin.
Which is it?
Based on this post, someone would think that if some is still fighting the flesh then they never were saved? How would you answer such a one?
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