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Beyond Christ even...?Some translations render it thus, no idea which version is correct:
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Thanks for this excellent topic, that is crucial for all Christians. Because Jesus is not only our Savior, but our Lord too!How do, or can we "obey"...?
What is the best most effective way to obey?, and obey what exactly...?
Do we do so by knowing all the time knowing what "not to" do, or not...?
If not, then how does that work or operate...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
God’s law serves at least three purposes, which Calvin wisely expressed. He affirmed that the law first serves as a mirror for us. It reveals the perfect character of God, and in so doing, it exposes our sin. This might be called the schoolmaster function. The law instructs us in our need for God’s grace. It reveals His perfection, and our failure to measure up. It reveals our need for Christ.How do, or can we "obey"...?
What is the best most effective way to obey?, and obey what exactly...?
Do we do so by knowing all the time knowing what "not to" do, or not...?
If not, then how does that work or operate...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
1 John 1:8-10.that command sounds the exact same as "be perfect because your Father in heaven is perfect."
what is perfection but to be near to God with all we are? because God is far beyond perfect.
I see what you're saying. Here's my take.
Words can deceive. What we really seek is "understanding". And even more, "spiritual understanding" Knowing the will of God. Our Father is spirit. Jesus taught spirit.
John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Life comes by spirit not flesh.
1 John 1:8-10.
You are calling God a liar.
In what way is it wrong? Where does Jesus say that this command has been superseded.
Do you not realise if we could keep this command there would be no need for the 10 commandments or for Jesus's death and resurrection.
That is wrong. From Jesus own mouth the Greatest commandment is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength". It is not to be perfect.
And to answer the OP, God said he would write his law on our hearts. By being sensitive to our hearts and the leading of the Holy Spirit we will be obeying God. We need ot be wary of the flesh though which wants what is contrary to the Spirit.
In what way is it wrong? Where does Jesus say that this command has been superseded.
Do you not realise if we could keep this command there would be no need for the 10 commandments or for Jesus's death and resurrection.
To know, read through all that gospel of John (and others in time too), from the first verse, and take your time. His words are eternal and will continue in the age to come after heaven and Earth pass away. The Words that lead to Life.
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."
Matthew 5:481 John 1:8-10.
You are calling God a liar.
Christs (physical) words were (spiritual) truth. Bread for the mind/spirit. That (truth) is will not pass away.
John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
John is my Canon Gospel of choice because it reveals both Gods clearly. The one the Jews followed and the one Christ died to glorify.
Obedience is overrated as a Christian virtue.
God doesn't need your obedience. Your neighbor needs Christ-like compassion, however. That requires open hearts and open minds.
Yes, I also focus often myself on that verse about how the flesh profits nothing (at all), zero. That's such a relevant verse for today.
And the even more profound part -- that His words themselves are Spirit, the essential to us. It's like how in chapter 15 we remain in Him by having His words remain in us.
John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commands.
Matthew 5:19
Therefore whomsoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whomsoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of mine Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of mine Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in thy name, and cast out demons in thy name, and do many mighty works in thy name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, thou workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 19:17
And he said to him, “Why do thou ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If thou would enter life, keep the commandments.”
Mark 10:19
You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother.’”
Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
Luke 6:46
“Why do thou call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?
Luke 6:47-48
Everyone who comes to me and hears mine words and does them, I will show thou what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.
Luke 8:15
As for that in the good soil, they art those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.
Luke 11:28
But he said, “Blessed rather art those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 8:31-32
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If thou abide in mine word, thou art truly mine disciples, and thou will know the truth, and the truth will set thou free.”
John 8:51
Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps mine word, he will never see death.”
John 13:17
If thou know these things, blessed art thou if thou do them.
John 14:15
“If thou love me, thou will keep mine commandments.
John 14:21
Whoever has mine commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by mine Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”
John 14:23
Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep mine word, and mine Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
John 14:31
But I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.
John 15:10
If thou keep mine commandments, thou will abide in mine love, just as I have kept mine Father's commandments and abide in his love.
John 15:14
You art mine friends if thou do what I command you.
Acts 5:29
But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.
Acts 24:16
So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.
Romans 2:25
For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.
Romans 5:19
For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.
Romans 6:16
Do thou not know that if thou present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, thou art slaves of the one whom thou obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Romans 6:17
But thanks be to God, that thou who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which thou were committed,
Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whomsoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers art not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would thou have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and thou will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for thy good. But if thou do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
2 Chronicles 31:21
And every work that he undertook in the service of the house of God and in accordance with the law and the commandments, seeking his God, he did with all his heart, and prospered.
Ephesians 2:10
For we art his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 5:21
Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
Ephesians 5:22-2
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey thy parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor thy father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with thou and that thou may live long in the land.”
Ephesians 6:5-9
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.
Romans 13:13
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.
Romans 13:14
But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.
Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive thou in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
1 Timothy 2:11
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.
1 Timothy 6:1
Let all who are under a yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled.
1 Timothy 6:14
To keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Titus 2:3-5
Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
Titus 2:9
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
Hebrews 10:7
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do thy will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
Hebrews 11:8-17
By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore. ...
Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
James 1:22-25
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
James 2:19
You believe that God is one; thou do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
1 Peter 1:14
As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of thy former ignorance,
1 Peter 3:1-7
Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...
1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
1 John 2:17
And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whomsoever does the will of God abides forever.
1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
1 John 3:24
Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments art not burdensome.
2 John 1:6-9
And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as thou have heard from the beginning, so that thou should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that thou may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. whomsoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Revelation 22:7
“And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
Total: 103
So you just like to pick and choose the Bible passages you like and discard the rest?I can do without Hebrews and Revelations.
Hebrews:
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
Written by a Priest or Pharisee.
So you just like to pick and choose the Bible passages you like and discard the rest?
What about all the rest of the passages I quoted from Jesus Himself?
Matthew 5:17Titus and Hebrews are beneficial to the early Priests and no one knows the authors. They are speculative and accepted by the the church (Rome) who created the Bible. Christ said to teach the Gospel, not the Bible. The OT and added books of non Gospel messages are only accepted by those who have faith in the doctrines of men (which Christ told us not to follow).
John:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
What does the Spirit have to this:
Titus:
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
This IS Orthodoxy created by men.
Compare the Gospel message:
John:
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Now listen to Philip's Gospel and see if it makes sense. The Pharisee's have returned as Priests. It's their system most follow.
For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment.
Titus, as well as Timothy were written after Pauls death and share no info or writings styles of the wonderful Apostle. Don;t take my word for it. Seek and find for yourself.
Love.How do, or can we "obey"...?
What is the best most effective way to obey?, and obey what exactly...?
Do we do so by knowing all the time knowing what "not to" do, or not...?
If not, then how does that work or operate...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
Love.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.
And don't judge anyone in anyway.
James chapter 4 verse 12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor?
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