How do non-Catholics explain Eucharistic miracles, such as bleeding, and Marian...

[Eretria90]

My guess is that Protestants who hear of Eucharistic miracles or Marian apparitions, think they are all demonic. Which doesn't make sense when you think about it. There is some truth to it, but not the vast majority. Atheists probably think of the following miracles as mass hysteria/delusion, con jobs, or the latter.

Asking on here will not give you a very good answer. I suggest studying up on the subject yourself and personally educate yourself on these subjects as I have done. My guess is when the words "Marian apparition" or "Eucharistic miracle" appears a non-Catholic's response is to immediately jump to "demonic" or "it's not real." They don't understand it at all, at least the miracles that have been proven to be legit.

Time to do some reading on the subject. There are two books I have read about Marian images (have not read about all other apparitions yet) and Eucharistic miracles, both by the same author. They are very good reads and provide a wealth of information.

1. "Miraculous Images of Our Lady" by Joan Carroll Cruz
2. "Eucharistic Miracles" by Joan Carroll Cruz

 

[HisSparkPlug]

...apparitions, such as Fatima. Eucharistic bleeding miracles, that are confirmed with science? I also recently read in OBOB about a certain saint, that on the celebration of his feast day, every single year, a vial of his blood liquifies before the congregation; the one time it didn't liquify, in 1980, there was an earthquake that killed a lot of people in the region in which this miracle takes place.
Then there's also a bleeding Eucharist miracle that was scientifically tested. The Eucharist fell to the floor, where it began to bleed. Testing was positive for a damaged human heart...
Just curious how non-Catholics reconcile these things. And of course, Mary's wish for Russia to convert with her apparition at Fatima apparently came to pass with the Russian Orthodox Church.

False signs & wonders of the enemy to lead people astray.. This is why it's so important to test the spirits. If just one person who witnessed Fatima had called that apparition out in the name of Jesus, it would have vanished. We must always test the spirits - both human and spiritual alike. The Word of God tells us that any spirit which cannot state of it's own accord that Jesus is God who came in the flesh & died for remission of all sin, then they are not servants of the real Jesus (they serve 'another' Jesus).

 

[sunlover1]

My guess is that Protestants who hear of Eucharistic miracles or Marian apparitions, think they are all demonic. Which doesn't make sense when you think about it. There is some truth to it, but not the vast majority. Atheists probably think of the following miracles as mass hysteria/delusion, con jobs, or the latter.

Asking on here will not give you a very good answer. I suggest studying up on the subject yourself and personally educate yourself on these subjects as I have done. My guess is when the words "Marian apparition" or "Eucharistic miracle" appears a non-Catholic's response is to immediately jump to "demonic" or "it's not real." They don't understand it at all, at least the miracles that have been proven to be legit.

Time to do some reading on the subject. There are two books I have read about Marian images (have not read about all other apparitions yet) and Eucharistic miracles, both by the same author. They are very good reads and provide a wealth of information.

1. "Miraculous Images of Our Lady" by Joan Carroll Cruz
2. "Eucharistic Miracles" by Joan Carroll Cruz

That's not necessarily true.
There certainly are some catholic haters, just as there are
non catholic haters (Plenty believe me) but not all non
catholics are haters at all.
Some even believe in that stuff.
And some of us are interested and do seek understanding.
But just be careful , that's all I'm going to say.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I know who the Holy Father is, and it ain't a man called the pope.

You speak to me as if I'm Catholic.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You speak to me as if I'm Catholic.

Birds of the feather flock together.

 

[Eretria90]

But just be careful , that's all I'm going to say.

You seem to be implying that all Catholics worship Marian apparitions or Eucharistic miracles (I'm talking about the accredited miracles, not the ones who are gullible enough to fall for the picture of Jesus or Mary on toast; in which case, I agree with you: we need to be careful).

I am always wary of so-called "miracles" in Protestant circles, like the appearance of gold dust at Charismatic or Pentecostal services.

I believe in accredited miracles, but Catholics are not gullible in that we "worship" every apparition or image that pops up. Some people are not big in apparitions as many Protestants claim. It's just spreading the anti-Catholic "love" around, whether it's on the internet or in person.

Thanks for your insight though.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Next time I see Mary show up on my toast I'm gonna varnish it and sell it on eBay

 

[Albion]

My guess is that Protestants who hear of Eucharistic miracles or Marian apparitions, think they are all demonic.

I'm not going to blame you, but that's quite an incorrect conclusion. Most of us simply think that it's something that has a natural explanation--like the face of Mary on the piece of toast. That's totally in the eye of the beholder, you know.

My guess is when the words "Marian apparition" or "Eucharistic miracle" appears a non-Catholic's response is to immediately jump to "demonic" or "it's not real." They don't understand it at all, at least the miracles that have been proven to be legit.

Sounds a lot like a defense mechanism to "demonize"** people of other faiths in that way. Makes it easy to convince oneself that the so-called miracle must be real if "those other" people don't accept it.

** joke intended

 

[Stryder06]

31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. (Matthew 12:31-32)

Guess it's a good thing I'm not blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Don't say the miracles of Jesus come from Demons. Demons cannot perform miracles because only God has that power.

I didn't say that miracles from Jesus came from demons. I said these aparitions and associated signs did. There's a difference. And who said demons can't do miracles? I read that Satan would call down fire from heaven. If he can do that, I'm thinking turning wine to blood wouldn't be so hard.

 

[Fireinfolding]

They have toasters that do that now

 

[sunlover1]

You seem to be implying that all Catholics worship Marian apparitions or Eucharistic miracles (I'm talking about the accredited miracles, not the ones who are gullible enough to fall for the picture of Jesus or Mary on toast; in which case, I agree with you: we need to be careful).

I am always wary of so-called "miracles" in Protestant circles, like the appearance of gold dust at Charismatic or Pentecostal services.

And we should be.

Not everything 'spiritual' is "good"

I believe in accredited miracles, but Catholics are not gullible in that we "worship" every apparition or image that pops up. Some people are not big in apparitions as many Protestants claim. It's just spreading the anti-Catholic "love" around, whether it's on the internet or in person.

Thanks for your insight though.

Why do i feel like I just got accused (not the first time)
of being a hater?
Obviously not the words you're looking at,
but what you're looking "through"
because I didn't imply the things you accuse me of.

Next time I see Mary show up on my toast I'm gonna varnish it and sell it on eBay

Should let us GT'ers have first dibs.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

They have toasters that do that now

It's a miracle! Let's all bow down to the toaster god!

 

[Stryder06]

My guess is that Protestants who hear of Eucharistic miracles or Marian apparitions, think they are all demonic. Which doesn't make sense when you think about it. There is some truth to it, but not the vast majority. Atheists probably think of the following miracles as mass hysteria/delusion, con jobs, or the latter.

Asking on here will not give you a very good answer. I suggest studying up on the subject yourself and personally educate yourself on these subjects as I have done. My guess is when the words "Marian apparition" or "Eucharistic miracle" appears a non-Catholic's response is to immediately jump to "demonic" or "it's not real." They don't understand it at all, at least the miracles that have been proven to be legit.

Time to do some reading on the subject. There are two books I have read about Marian images (have not read about all other apparitions yet) and Eucharistic miracles, both by the same author. They are very good reads and provide a wealth of information.

1. "Miraculous Images of Our Lady" by Joan Carroll Cruz
2. "Eucharistic Miracles" by Joan Carroll Cruz

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally (and we're in the minority here) my denomination holds to the biblical teaching that when you die you, well you know, die. There is no life after death. Man was not created with an immortal soul. Etc. Therefore whenever I hear about Marian apparitions, I can't help but associate those with the demonic.

And in regards to the miracles. Well when I look at scripture I see the lame walking, the blind seeing, the deaf hearing, and the mute speaking. Those are miracles. Your Eucharistic miracles are miracles in the sense that the unnatural happens, but they aren't God given miracles.

 

[Fireinfolding]

It's a miracle! Let's all bow down to the toaster god!

Man shall not live by toast alone (no matter who the heck greets you on it)

 

[sunlover1]

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally (and we're in the minority here) my denomination holds to the biblical teaching that when you die you, well you know, die. There is no life after death. Man was not created with an immortal soul. Etc..

No soul?
So you live here on earth and that's it?

 

[Stryder06]

No soul?
So you live here on earth and that's it?

I said man was not created with an immortal soul. When God made man the bible says He formed him out of the dust of the earth and breathed in to his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul. We are souls. We do not possess them.

When Christ returns He will raise the dead to immortality, and those of us who are alive and remain shall be changed (made immortal) and caught up to mee them in the air.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

A.W. Tozer once said, "It is no sin to doubt some things but it may be fatal to believe everything."

Not everything that looks like it's from God IS from God.. John 7:24 "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement"
The Greek word for “judge” is “diachronic” and means “to doubt, discriminate, or separate thoroughly.”

What I hear today is that only God heals or does miracles - that's nonsense. Would you say the true God healed someone in the Mormon church or in some cult? What about the gurus & witch-doctors who talk about healings and miracles? How do we discern that something is from God or not? To say that God ONLY heals is disastrous. There are counterfeits and if they can take place outside the Church, there is no way anyone can say they can't or don't take place IN the church as well. This is why we are told to test the spirits.

1 Cor 12:3 says, .”No one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit” .. so the big test is that any human or spiritual being which appears to you needs to be able to state that Jesus IS God

1 John 4:1 - "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God.."

1 Thess. 5:19 - "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good"

 

[Stryder06]

A.W. Tozer once said, "It is no sin to doubt some things but it may be fatal to believe everything."

Not everything that looks like it's from God IS from God.. John 7:24 "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement"
The Greek word for “judge” is “diachronic” and means “to doubt, discriminate, or separate thoroughly.”

What I hear today is that only God heals or does miracles - that's nonsense. Would you say the true God healed someone in the Mormon church or in some cult? What about the gurus & witch-doctors who talk about healings and miracles? How do we discern that something is from God or not? To say that God ONLY heals is disastrous. There are counterfeits and if they can take place outside the Church, there is no way anyone can say they can't or don't take place IN the church as well. This is why we are told to test the spirits.

1 Cor 12:3 says, .”No one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit” .. so the big test is that any human or spiritual being which appears to you needs to be able to state that Jesus IS God

1 John 4:1 - "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God.."

1 Thess. 5:19 - "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good"

To the law and the testimony. If they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them. That is how we can test the spirits and miracles, to see if they are of God or not.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Are you sure its not to the law and to the toastimony?

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Are you sure its not to the law and to the toastimony?

LOL!